Thanksgiving schedule/scores: Stepinac vs. White Plains
My colleague Mike Zacchio will cover this morning’s game, but I plan on stopping by to check it out anyway. Last year was my first Turkey Bowl and I loved the atmosphere. Also, Stepinac and White Plains are two of the area’s best teams. There are few football games this season that put more talent on the field.
For updates, follow along on Twitter @LoHudInsider. I’ll try to come back afterward with a quick recap before heading north for the holiday. Enjoy the game — and happy Thanksgiving!
Thanksgiving Day scores —
At White Plains High School:
Stepinac 38, White Plains 14
GAME RECAP —
Stepinac 38, White Plains 14: At White Plains High School, Stepinac won the 41st annual Turkey Bowl, its fifth win over White Plains in the last six years. Austin Taps (Stepinac) and Mike Scotman (White Plains) each scored a touchdown and were named sportsmanship award winners.
Stepinac led 10-7 at halftime after a 43-yard field goal and a 1-yard TD run by Caleb Gilligan-Evans gave the Crusaders a 10-0 lead. The Tigers responded with a 15-play, 76-yard drive that was capped with 1-yard TD run by Scotman.
White Plains took a 14-10 lead early in the second half on a 56-yard interception return by Ryan Brooks. It was one of four Stepinac turnovers but White Plains committed six of its own. They helped lead to 28 unanswered points for the Crusaders.
Dan Hoffer threw touchdowns to Vincent Narog (70 yards) and Taps (25 yards). Lance Ladson scored on a 30-yard run. Ryan Wasylenko returned an interception 20 yards for a score. Taps also blocked a punt for Stepinac.
Narog’s touchdown catch came on a third-and-8 just after White Plains go-ahead TD. He caught a short pass from Hoffer and broke several tackles en route to the score.
Gilligan-Evans finished his fourth Turkey Bowl with 13 carries for 96 yards and the touchdown. Mark White rushed for 56 yards on 11 carries. Hoffer went 6 for 11 for 130 yards, two touchdowns and one interception. He completed two passes to Narog for 89 yards and the TD.
Scotman led White Plains with 16 carries for 62 yards and a touchdown. Jeff Avery passed for 52 yards and threw two interceptions and rushed for 23 yards.
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HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO EVERYBODY , GOBBLE,GOBBLE,GOBBLE.
BE SAFE-NO DRINKING AND DRIVING
I SAID IT ALL WEEK::
STEPINAC-31 WHITE PLAINS 21
haywwwwoooodd!!
Gobble Gobbble Gobble to you too!!
And everyone else too!! I think your right but have it a litttle different. 28-14 Step. Hope I am wrong,
LET’S GO TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WP Tigers will make Crusaders not thankful today. Go Tigers!
Basketball Please!!!!!!
JUST A FACT/AND THE GREATEST PRINCE OF THEM ALL,
IT HAS TRULY BEEN A GREAT YEAR OF HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL,I SEE AN EVEN BETTER ONE COMMING NEXT YEAR.
YOUR BLOG BUDDY,
haywood, excellent year and thanks for all your hard work of giving us updates and opinions from the fields!!
Next year will be better. I am getting msg (varsity) next year.
Ending my “Occupy Cablevision” Protest!!
Happy Thanksgiving to all bloggers and to the Lohud Staff , and especially The Most Handsome Journalist ” Josh ”
Stepinac 35 Turkey Bowl Champs
White Plains 13
So after a long one month layoff. A team knocked out of the first round of the Section 1 Playoffs is going toe to toe w/ the runner up from the “best league in the state.” Remarkable, sounds like an awesome experience for the young kids. Pok/Lourdes should follow suit
will the state finals have a live feed
statesman , pok- lourdes eould be great for the area
Parent,
Maybe syracuse.com can direct you to the feed. Been digging myself to no avail.
Pok/Lourdes would be awesome. Sucks they dropped down to B so cant play in season. Last time they played was in 2005 when Pok was in AA and Lourdes A. Last game of the seniors’ career. The kids see each other around all the time and still talk about that game to this day. With Walsh at the helm, we could see some epic matchups.
Statesman,
Have a great turkey day,my brother
Wood,
You the same, chief! Enjoy the time w/ those you love. Couldn’t have been a more beautiful day.
statesman, i have to agree but coach walsh has never lost to a barger team , he finds a way with less athletes,
Parent,
That’s why I mentioned walsh. He is an amazing coach. Destroyed us my junior yr while still at Brewster (Diff coach) and beat us 13-12 at JJEF (Barg’s first year) my senior season. He knows how to get it done. Have him around is a treat to football in the area.
Happy Thanksgiving to all my blogging buddies.
Have a great day with those you care about. When is dinner Just?
What Did Iona Prep do to Stepinac this year??
How soon we Forget!!!!!!!
white plains just got to sloppy with the ball,no surprise,their super bowl was against new rochelle
statesman we love him at lourdes , he is a very caring person and a great coach, does wonders with sometimes sub talent , i have been following him for years (closer than you think ) i was at those games with poughkeepsie , they were great , i really like your positive remarks always , you are a great inspiration for those kids in poughkeepsie and dutchess football, someday we will meet …
I read your prediction Prince what do you tthink about Stepinac?i think this team would’ve beaten new ro
Wing T, Happy Thanksgiving!!! Dinnner starting 4:00PM in New Ro… You around?
Man!!! 14-10 WP and I thought they had a shot. Once they gave that TD on 3rd &7 was not a good sign after making a big play themselves(Int for TD)... Cant have that.
Next year WP wins???
Congrats to Stepinac for representing the CHSFL with a nice convincing win over WP. That was the worst beating that White Plains took all year- North Rockland beat them 19-15 and New Rochelle beat them 13-12 so that was a great statement win by a CHSFL AAA team-
I also look at the Iona Prep 30 17 win over Stepinac as another barometer of how great the CHSFL AAA league is- It is obvious from those numbers that Iona and Stepinac are the two best teams in this area- It also tells me that the CHSFL is the best league in the State!!
Great job Stepinac in proving what the quality of the CHSFL AAA is all about.
Prince,
In the spirit of Thanksgiving, don’t go too hard on the CHSFL fans w/ your rebuttal. Besides, they have valid points this time around
Iona Power, what would your comments be if WP ran away with it??
You sure it wouldn’t be “we can’t get too crazy over one game??”
Step does seem to have WP #, currently. Second year in a row, WP right there and then the wheels fall off.
It goes to show how much Catholic schools recruit and take away the best players in the Section and put them all on the same team together.
my prediction was just 3 points off
Until Iona or Step does that to New Ro, lets be honest. WP not even Top 5 team in Section 1. Please please please!!! Let’s keep everything in perspective!!!!!!
This just in from the JAF Simulation Systems..
New Ro 28, Iona 21 : New Ro gets out to an early 14pt lead. 28-14 going into final qtr. Iona scores another in the 4th, now down 7 and driving. They get to New Ro 35. Crowd is going crazy less than 1 min left on the clock – PPR on the New Ro sidelines giving advice to Coach D… Here is the snap screen to the flats, Ball tipped, Caldararo comes down with it and the New RO faithful going crazy in the Stands!!!!
you want Step??
New Ro 35, Step 0 – New Ro pulls it starters 3rd quarter. Snoozefest!
: ) 
Happy Thanksgiving to All!!!
BTW, Step Fans just having fun.
My favorite New Blogger “Real Fan” is one your own so..
Congrats on your win!!!
Just
If WP would have won I would have stated that it was a bad loss for the CHSFL- That did not happen- You have pride for Section 1AA and I have pride in the CHSFL AAA- Today was a great day for the CHSFL AAA-
If WP is not a top 5 section 1 team then where does New Rochelle fit in after they escaped with a 13-12 win?
Iona is available to play on Thanksgiving every year- You need to ask the New Rochelle coaches why they dont take a bye week like White Plains which could allow them to play Iona-
Statesman
My comments are facts – The proof is in the scores- Look up the common games
Iona 30 Stepinac 17
Stepinac 38 WP 14
New Rochelle 13- WP 12
North Rockland 19 WP 15
WP is a TOP 5 SECTION 1 AA team
I have sat back and observed a lot of guys ripping the CHSFL so it was time for an end of season factual rebuttal
just
was at the wp games!!... white plains this year pound for pound had the most talent on the field in 2011 including iona and stepinac!!!!!..... wp had ther chance in the game they fumbled numerous times in the redzone!!! step did capitalize from it scored on a short field!!!white plains “coaches” are very, very bad (THE BIGGEST PROBLEM!!... THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TOO WIN NOR DO THEY KNOW HOW TO FINISH)!!!... from the head coach to the ball boy!!!.... wp had some decent plays but running them with the wrong athlete!!!!!... everett was totally missed used and rarely used!! the qb was inaccurate all game fumbled inside the 20 holding the ball in his hand while trying to run over 4 step defender which could have made the game wp 21 or 17 step 17… step did play good i think wp had the better athletes but step had the better coaches and better scheme!!.... the bad pass on the screen that was returned!!....the qb should have never thrown that pass!!! taps, narog, evans played very good game!!!......
WP… COACHES NEED A CUP OF “REAL DEAL”....... (COURAGE)!!!!
as for step beating new ro cn’t see it!! close game but new ro defense is much better then wp and new ro offense is better then wp!!... 17-14 new ro
Stepinac didn’t even play good and they crushed wplains today. I agree with ionapower, it just shows how great the chsfl aaa league is. No disrespect but sect. 1 is just not that good.
Happy thxgiving
IONA POWER
WHITE PLAINS WAS NOT A TOP 5 TEAM IN SEC1 THEY WHER THE #1 TALENTED TEAM IN WESTCHESTER INCLUDING CHSFL TEAMS IN WESTCHESTER!!... BUT NOT #5 IN SEC1 AT BEST
1)NEW RO
2)NORTH ROC
3)JJEF
4)ARLINGTON
5)CLK NORTH
6 OR 7) WP
6 OR 7) CLK SO
No question iona and step are 2 best teams…toss up who is 1 or 2 I would probably call it a tie. Ppr step beats new ro by 2 tds easily. They crushed wplains while you guys struggled. And as I said, stepinac had 4 turnovers and stilll blew them out today. New ro wouldn’t phase teams like step and iona bc they play better teams then new ro week in and week out, not even close.
Sorry, you just can’t accept the truth.
INFO
STEP IS BEATING THE #6 OR #7 TEAM IN SEC1 HOW DO THAT AUTOMATICALLY MAKES THEM BETTER THEN EVERYONE ELSE????
JUST
WP MOVE THE FOOTBALL ON STEP ALL DAY THEY JUST COULDN’T STOP WITH THE MENTAL MISTAKE THER COACHES HURT THEM EVERY YEAR
Iona Power, I believe the question was answered by a New Ro Coach that the game did not matter to them, the State Playoffs did. But excellent point. Play it during cross-over week – not sure Sect 1 allows this. If not, they need to start making exceptions. If CHSFLAAA is the premiere league in the State, and Iona Prep is one of the elite teams, it is only smart for Sect 1 to allow this game. If it does not happen in 2012, it is criminally STUPID!!!
Prince
I will agree with you on White Plains having some good athletes- Also I find it hard to believe that White Plains is not a NYS Football power- They have great facilities- Diversified student body- Large Student population- They should be so much better- i just did not see the overall depth on White Plains which surprised me- They did not have the line play and depth to compete with top schools-
As far as WP having more talent than Iona and Stepinac this year – NO WAY – I know from watching today Iona would spank WP – they have better skill players and their DL would disrupt anything WP would run on offense-
As far a s next year it looks like both Stepinac and WP will have a lot of new starters to implement so it could be a close game- Stepinac does have the QB coming back so that is an advantage.
Prince, reading the tweets, I was shaking my head. You cant beat a good team when you make the mistakes WP did. Football 101, protect the ball. Now we have to endure the
“well if New Ro only beat WP by 1, and Step beat WP by 24, it only makes sense that…”
ZZzzzz
just
The number one priority for Iona and New Rochelle is to win the CHSFL AAA and NYS State Championship so I totally agree with that concept-
I actually agree with New Rochelle in not taking the bye- It puts their team at a disadvantage-
I also understand that Section 1 put restrictions on these non league games and I believe that at some point you will see the end to WP and Stepinac- I predict within the next 10 year you will see an Iona – Stepinac Thanksgiving day game as the start of a new tradition-
IONA
I HAVE SEEN WP 3X AND IONA 3X IAM TELLING YOU THAT WP POUND FOR POUND WP HAD MORE TALENT THEN NEW RO, STEP, AND IONA!!... THER NO DISRESPECT THER IT’S THE TRUTH!!
THE COACHING IS THE DIFFERENCE!!
1) IONA COACHES
2) NEW RO COACHES
3) STEP COACHES
4) WHITE PLAINS YOUTH COACHES
5) NEW RO YOUTH COACHES]
6) WHITE PLAINS COACHES
IN THAT ORDER!!........
Prince
I will agree that the WP coach has not maximized their talent base-
Also WP seems to have lost some good talent to Iona, Stepinac, Fordham Prep and even Rye Country Day- The Rye Country Day QB who is a very good player is from WP-
INFO
IT’S OBVIOUS YOU ARE A STEP FAN B/C IONA BEAT THE BRAKES OFF STEP!!.. NO IONA FAN WOULD EVEN CONSIDER Y’ALL TIED AS #1!... SO I KNOW YOU HAVE NO CLUE OR OPINION ABOUT!!.. STEP WOULD NVER BEAT NEW RO BY 2 TOUCHDOWNS!! STEP HAD 4T.O’S AND WP HAD ABOUT 5-6 T.O.’S AND 2-3 WAS IN THE REDZONE!!... HOW MANY TIMES DID STEP T.O. THE BALL IN THE REDZONE??????
IONA
BUT IF YOU LOOKED WP TEAMS THE DIDN’T LOOK LIKE THE SUFFERED ALOT FROM THE LOST OF PLAYERS!!! IF ANYTHING VERY LIL!!.... THE TRUTH THER COACHES ARE THE WORSE!!!... THAT THER BIGGEST PROBLEM!! NOT SPEED, SIZE, ATHLETICISM, TALENT, OR ABILITY!!!....
Stepinac played St.Anthonys in the AAA championship and only lost by two scores. That’s being generous because that fumble by narog could’ve left the game at 0-7. St.Anthonys is the Number.2 team in the tri state right behind Don Bosco Prep the #1 team in the country. Can we please end this conversation right here and give credit where credit is due. Thank you and have a happy thanksgiving!!
Just a fact – 10K November 24th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Prince, reading the tweets, I was shaking my head. You cant beat a good team when you make the mistakes WP did. Football 101, protect the ball. Now we have to endure the
“well if New Ro only beat WP by 1, and Step beat WP by 24, it only makes sense that…”
ZZzzzz
JUST… AGREED!!... TURNOVERS AND A POOR COACHING STAFF!!! YOU ARE DOOMED!!! I DN’T LOOK AT THE SCORE SO MUCH I LOOK AT THE GAME PLAY!!! NAROG ON THE QUICK PASS!!.. CHANGE THE GAME MOMENTUM WP WAS IN THE WRONG DEFENSE TRIPS RIGHT NAROG BACKSIDE BY HIMSELF TO THE WIDE SIDE YOU HAVE TOO PLAY TIGHT COVERAGE NOT YOUR CORNER 6-8 OFF HIM!! IT’S 3RD DOWN AND LONG!! WP COACHES DO NOT KNOW HOW TOO FINISH!!
Dude whatever makes you feel better. Fact: you barely got by wplains, and we hammered them, 2 yrs in a row now. You just can’t take the fact that step is better then new ro and chsfl aaa is waaaay better then sect. 1. Come up with all of the excuses you want but you can’t take it you tool!! And you predicted wplains to win…lolololol.
yeah you really know your football..hahahahahaha!
FOOTBALLL
WHAT HAPPENED VERSUS IONA??????????????????????
ALSO SAINT ANT!!.... PLAYED WITH THER 3RD STRING RB’S, QB, WR!!! AND STILL WON!!! 14- ZERO!!!!!!
Yeeaaaahhhhh buuuudddddyyyyy!!!lololololololololol
Prince, yyeeeoouCCCCHHHH!
Turnovers, I have to blame the players. Trips to one side Narog out all alone, your best DB better be out there and a LB widened out. If you press w CB, safty cheat to that side. No way it goes for a score. Anything less would be un-civilized!!!
Off for the grub!
INFO!!
STEP DOMINATED!! LOL YEA OK!!... THE GAME WAS GOING EITHER WAY UP UNTIL THE 4TH QTR!! DN’T GET AHEAD OF YOURSELF!!
Just waking up from my first round food coma. Seems like this debate will never end. Comparing apples to oranges. Top-Tier athletic CHSFL programs like Iona and Stepinac must pull talent away from places like WP. Section 1 needs to band together and step our academics and programs up to curtail future departures. Have to give kids more incentive to stay and grow w/ their respective school districts.
Stepinac fans, enjoy Naim Thomas during hoops season. Quite the player, make sure you thank Poughkeepsie for polishing him for you.
JUST
I WONDER WHEN THEY GOING TO STOP LETTING THESE COACHES COMMITT THESE SELFISH ACTS!! ON THER TEAMS!!.... IF YOU CN’T GET IT DONE IN 6 YRS!! BYE!! THATS IT 15-29YRS TO FIGURE IT OUT!!... DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE!! YEA I DO BLAME THE PLAYERS AND I WONDER DO THESE TEAMS DO BALL DRILLS!!... I AGREE YOU KNOW NAROG IS THE BEST WR IN THE AREA AND YOU LEAVE OUT THER I THINK I WOULD HAVE PUT EVERETT ON HIM ON 3RD AND LONG AND HELP UNDERNEATH!! BAD COACHING PERIOD!! NO EXCUSES!! ESPECIALLY ON THAT PLAY!!! IT WAS OBVIOUS THEY WHER GOING TO HIM!!
STATES
WP HAS THE MOST TALENTED TEAM IN SEC1 FROM TOP TO BOTTOM!!!... AND THEY HAVE MORE TALENT THEN IONA AND STEP!!.... IT’S THER COACHING!!.....
THE COACHING IS THE DIFFERENCE!!
1) IONA COACHES
2) NEW RO COACHES
3) STEP COACHES
4) WHITE PLAINS YOUTH COACHES
5) NEW RO YOUTH COACHES]
6) WHITE PLAINS COACHES
IN THAT ORDER!!........
Prince,
Got a chance to see some film of them. Very impressive. Sounds like coaching issues need to be adressed now! WP/NFA cross-over next season?
Now imagine if WP didn’t have to worry about losing players like SV and Ramapo?
Right now I am doing the turkey stagger,LLLLLLOOOOOLLLLL
I am with you haywood. Too much food.
Just, I am around and got cubans and pinot.
Wing,
The pinot and cubans would put me back to sleep!
A Cubana could probably wake me back up
Would you guys consider NY is becoming a State for football? Think about Don Bosco N.J. then you have a team like St Anthony’s right behind them. Stepinac loses to St Anthony 14-0 but the luck was on St Anthony side that day. Stepinac had their chances. Can you put NY amongst Texas, Cali, Fla yet?
Husky,
Tough Question. I can’t see the NY State Champ playing with FL and TX’s AA-B champ. Football is a way of life in those places. The CHSFL would probably be the only measuring stick due to their usually superior facilities.
Statesman
yeah naim is the player he is because of pok. You have to be joking.
Crusader,
He works very hard and has great God giving talent. You have to give credit to Coach Dean and the TRAC feeder system for putting him in a position to hit the ground running. I don’t know if you’ve ever been up here bit that’s all kids do up here. You can’t tell me playing fun games with Nat’e Gause, Basheem Bennett and Elijah McLaurin wont help develop young players games.
given
My apologies for the typos. On phone and still woozy after Round 2 of food. You catch my drift though.
Congratulations to the Stepinac Football Family! Another great day to be a Crusader! Iona and Stepinac and then everyone else!
Understood and good points but the time that stepinac puts in is 2nd to none. No disrespect to pok. But the league he is playing in will get him ready for the collegiate level. Sect. 1 “a” is no where in the realm of the competition naim will see in the next 3 yrs.
What about being the smallest school in AA and going to the County Center nearly every year since 2000. Nat’e isn’t having a problem at the next level. Antonio Williams is doing well at Coppin State and Brandon James is doing well at Colgate. Granted those guys are all 6’3+ but Pok has not lost to anyone not named MV or NFA in a while. You think Stepinac will cakewalk over Peekskill, TZ and Byram Hills? I don’t think so.
Thank you very much for your civility. This is the banter I enjoy. No need to attack anyone so I’m glad it isn’t happening. I like how Stepinac runs their b-ball program, also hoping to be able to schedule a game or two in the upcoming seasons.
No its stepinac, iona, ppr, then everyone else!
I Heart Beast!
Agreed! Was just a creature of habit and putting in alphabetical order. My OCD getting the best of me!
Husky
New York is WAY WAY behind the football heavey sates like Fl, TX, CA,OH,PA and NJ
New Jersey several notches above NY=
NJ has about 50 to 60 Division 1 recruits this year where NY has about 15 Division 1 recruits-
How would St Anthony do against Don Bosco? Don Bosco #1 in the Nation. I was considering NY football being in the Top 10 in the Nation. I know NY will always be known as a basketball factory but football seems to be on the rise. Is St Anthony ranked Nationally? Is Don Bosco that far ahead?
Husky
Don Bosco is a national level program and would easily beat St. Anthony
Don Bosco 42 St. Anthony 14-
Bosco has a roster littered with D1 recruits with 3 of them being recruited by top 10 level college programs.
Now I do think St. Anthony will hang with the other NJ Catholics with only Bergen Catholic as one program that I think would be better-
Next Year the CHSFL AAA will be loaded- with St. Anthony being really challenged by Iona Prep- Iona returns most of their very talented skill guys plus the majority of their Defense- Iona also had a big time Frosh class where I see some of those kids playing a role next year as sophs .Xaverian returns some special talent – Holy Cross had a lot of young players so they will be good-
New York is a below average football state.
St Anthony would not score on Don Bosco. I think there are about 5 schools in NJ that can beat St Anthony.
Nothing for nothing it seems the Step fans like to pump out there chest and say they are the best team in the county. This argument never happens in NJ because the Catholic league schools would be embarresed if they couldn’t beat the public schools. They recruit talent. Big deal, you might have beat an under achieving NR team this year. Just like the Iona fans crying they wanted a piece of the MV basketball team when they had their good teams a couple of years ago. Do it over a consistent basis. New Ro is consistent and their Ray Rice team would hammer any Stepinac team ever assembled. You finnished second in the CHSFL and won the Turkey Bowl. Be happy and leave it at that.
Step fans getting ahead of themselves you now feel u should be ranked #3 in the tri state b/c the 2nd time around you get blown 14-0 by ther backups!!!.... You never going to beat saint ants!! Part of the reason they are ranked #2 was b/c ther orignal starters not the guys that are there now in the tristate ranking as long a’s you win you dnt get dropped!!! Also saint ants is not motivated!! They have won the last 29 games!!! Give us a break actually thinking that step could play with fl,tx,ca….. Lol you could not be serious asking that question!!! Step coaches are frosh level coaches compared too those state top program top team in those states smoke step easily by 45 points they dnt play mercy football!!! Step ranked #4 in westchestr!!!
Cuse,
You touched on some points I took away from reading the posts. When is the last time WP won a Sectional Championship? No knocking WP, I love you guys but the Step fans are acting like they won the Superbowl and took down a prolific program.
I still think MV beats the Iona teams that had a spurt of greatness. Good point about the Jersey Catholics vs Publics. If Don Bosco lost to East Side High School, they’d blow a gasket.
Greatness is a strong word, did they even win the LOWER level Catholic championship? Point was no team in NY should be calling out MV in basketball. They defy logic and beat the stacked Rice, Christ the Kings, and Lincolns of the world. Statesman, you of all people should know they do not play th local powers. Have they ever played PK or an NFA in the regular season? They prefer to travel. Stepinac is supposed to have a good basketball team so this may be a long year on the blog…..
Cuse,
Seems like I always get heat for agreeing w/ people. Greatness is a strong word, maybe solid teams would be a better term. No, Iona didn’t play NFA and MV. You already know the amount of respect I have for the MV program. The closest game PK has had w/ them was 2 Points and it hasn’t really been close since except this past year. Guess the internet really leaves things lost in translation. No, those Iona teams would not beat MV but they were still good teams in their own right. A lot of teams are in the MV graveyard!
And by agreeing w/ people, I meant you.
I would have liked to see the MV/Peek championship teams play only because Peek managed to beat Pok who went to the chip vs MV in the reg season.
Iona Power and Everyone- – I dont think NY Football is below average. Cmon, you would say that. I dont think so, im curious to see in print where NYS Football would be ranked. Where is NYS Basketball ranked, just curious. Section 1 is a very competitive, include LI and NYC and all other Sections, i think we have some talent here. Jordan Canzeri out of Troy New York had some playing time for Iowa. Jarrod Jones Aquinas Ins. full ride scholarship to Notre Dame for football, i think the problem with NY HS Atheletes is these kids are more versitile then kids from other states. Kids who play football in Fla or Texas most of them just play one sport, NY kids play multiple sports Football, Basketball, Lax, Wrestling, Soccer, and Baseball. I cannot see many kids from other States being that atheletic!
Think we can only conclude that this was a down year for section 1 large school football. POK and North Rocks early tournament losses and the subsequent defeats of Shen and Cornwall provide evidence of this.
So WP, perhaps the 15th or so best public school in the LI, NYC, section 1 area, plays 3 close quarters with the CHSFl runner up. how do you think LIs Floyd or East Meadow, or NYCs Tottenville would show against the top couple of CHSFL teams?
I say very well!
Cuse, rice’s team with felipe lopez would dismantle any team mvernon could ever assemble…what’s the point?
My 5yr. Old son could’ve coached that ray rice team to a state final.
City,
The Felipe Lopez team would crack Ben Gordon’s
?
Stateman
Those Iona basketball teams played NFA twice- Iona beat Newburgh at the slam dunk championship and lost at the White Plains Tournament- They were both highly competitive games-
Iona,
Thank you, you are right. Please advise Cuse of this next time as well. How quickly we forget like you alluded to earlier.
Lion,
Don’t want to beat the 4 games in 15 days horse but I factor that into the equation for the Sect 1 Large schools. State playoffs are all about matchups. Burnt Hills is very good but I think Pok would have matched up nicely against their impressive Wing-T. Still think they lose to Cornwall. 44-19 is more then convincing any way you slice it. Seeing the game first hand, I thknk they perform better w/ adequate rest.
Lion, couple of things. You do not need to go to LI to find a local team that would beat Step….New Ro!!!!
Sect 1 Bigs AA & A were awesome this year. 3 Games in 11 Days did them in. Me and many other bloggers said it in the pre-season and it came to fruition. The real question.. anyone shocked????
States, you snuck that post in before me, lol!!
PPR,
38-14…and you’re still making excuses
Just,
lol, not the first time haha.
States, I feel bad for you, you are starting to share my thoughts…
Hoops
Yea come on and tell us it was a blow out from the first qtr and you where winning 21-0 at half!!!.... 6 turnovers played a maajor part!!!
Can some 1 post the final stats!!!!!!!
PPR – A WIN IS A WIN! ALOT MORE IMPRESSIVE THAN A 13-12 VICTORY!!!
PPR
Thank you for highlighting the WP coaching staff. WP was by far the more talented group on the field today . #3 Everett was completely underutilized, the WP Coach should be apologising to his team. The coaching staff is embarassingly bad and has run the program into the ground. Anybody with any degree of game knowledge could immediately tell what the problem in that program is.
Stepinac, on the other hand, was outsized and less physically talented but managed to win anyway because their players were motivated and very well schooled in the game. When the critical plays of the game came, Stepinac was prepared while the WP players appeared panicked for lack of any leadership. Stepinac also has the best kicker I have seen in a long time. He kept WP pinned to start their drives and kept #3 from returning any kickoffs.
Husky the Gobbler!!!!,
Excellent point. NY Football will continue to get bettter. Now that you can make $100k +++ to teach gym, you would think the quality of Coaches will increase. If we are talking AA, New Ro has raised the bar so high and 2011 we have watched teams answer the bell. I count 2 Excellent Coaches, 1 Very Good Coach, 4 Good Coaches in AA.
Not too bad.
Anyone saying anything about quality of Class A (Coaching and Players) are just H A T I NG !!!
scary,
Where did you see Stepinac being outsized yesterday? They have 2 300lbers on the Line, two other kids in the 230-250 range. Their two best players are probably Evans who is 6’ 250 FB and Taps a 6’4” 235lb TE/LB. WP has some great athletes and I agree they have more speed on their roster than Step, I don’t think they have more talent. Speed/size does not always equate to talent. Franklin is a stud athlete, but I don’t think he’s anywhere near as good a football player as Taps. Everett is incredibly fast, but I thinks Evans is a much better football player. In terms of speed, yes WP had more athletes, but in terms of talented football players Stepinac has more in my opinion.
Hoops fan, I will congratulate you for finally understanding there is a distinction between athlete and football player. Who had more (Wp-Step), I will let you guys debate. Though Everett and Franklyn are two very good starts for WP.
“In terms of speed, yes WP had more athletes, but in terms of talented football players Stepinac ”
JAF – - 2012 Season looks again like a black and blue Division. JJCR is returning big play makers (Lambert, Keech), Somers might have the biggest or most talented line, Rye could be the fastest team along with POK, and Harrison will have a team back together since 8th grade who played very well together and were undefeated growing up. O-Town? Nyack looks to be back and as a contender, very very interesting who will be back at the Section Chip. I just hope Section one will have the balls to start a week early and keep our boys fresh thru the race to The Dome. Its unfair….
JOSH—- If i want to get a article in the Journal News on a new Restaurant at Harrison, how can i do it?
PPR,
No, Stepinac wasn’t blowing them out in the 1st qtr or even halftime. I’m not sure if anyone told you, but football is a 4 qtr game…the score after halftime is nice, but the final score is what matters.
This game started out similar to last year’s. WP came out pumped up after a long layoff, Stepinac started out a little sluggish. The game was even for awhile, then Stepinac’s offense took off. I’d be really interested to hear Real Deal/Fan’s take on Stepinac’s playcalling yesterday.
A couple points:
1) Stepinac’s D did a better job cstopping WP’s offense than New Ro. Any disagreements?
2) TOs were a problem for both teams. I actually thought Stepinac’s D did a very good job forcing fumbles…on several of WP’s TO’s you could see the Step defender swing in and force the ball loose. I wouldn’t at all say TOs hurt WP more than Step because WP had two TOs late in the first half that didn’t account for any points – one TO was at midfield with .9 seconds left in the half.
3) It was great to see Taps and Evans have big days in their final HS game. Both young men were a pleasure to watch these last few years.
4) Great capper to a great season for Stepinac
Just,
I’ve never thought there wasn’t a difference between great athletes and great football players sometimes. WP had athletes all over the field, Stepinac had football players all over the field. By the way, PPR is definitely correct on one thing – Narog is the best WR in the area, he’s big, fast, great hands, can go up to catch a ball, excellent with the ball after catch.
Just,
You’re a reasonable guy. New Ro gave up two offensive TDs to WP playing a ball control/attempt to eat up the clock offense. Step gave up 1 offensive TD to WP playing a no huddle spread offense with probably 2x as many offensive possessions for WP as they had playing New Ro. AT THE END OF THE YEAR, whose defense do you think was playing better – Step’s or New Ro’s? I know this is a tough question for you to answer, but be honest. I completely agree at the beginning of the season, Step’s D was looking iffy at times. But by the end of the year, Step gives up 1 offensive TD to St As in the AAA Final, then only 1 offensive TD to WP early – their D was playing great, great football at the end of the year and deserves to be commended.
Sometimes you have to concede….Step does look like the top local team. But, my point was that the CHSFL does not have the top 8 teams, nor necessarily the top 4, in the NYC, LI, Hudson Valley area.
I believe there are many publics that win against the top 4 CHSFL teams, even against, St As. Ive only seen them on TV this year, but they do not look invincible. The are still probably no. 1, but the LI team publics look strong too, and why shouldnt they. They bring much to the table, including many programs with 100 plus kids in there program from middle to high school.
..and still think at least 2 NYC publics would compete very well against CHSFL top 4.
Hoops, I think we need to look at statistics from both games to understand what happened. Sounds like Step gave up a lot of yards to WP offense, which I am sure New Ro did not. Now how the ball was turned over would have to be considered to some extent but most turnovers are the fault of the offensive.
But at the end of the day, New Ro will always be an elite defense. Not sure Step can make that same claim. This year I think at season’s end New Ro D was not what failed them. And as much as the WING T is a ball control offense, if you cant sustain the drives, you are not milking time off the clock. Plus New Ro ran Spread plays and passed more. So I think statistics would tell us what we need to know.
Will Steps win over WP, help Iona in end of season rankings by the SPorts Writers??? As of last week, Iona was not in the Top 30 in Class AA.
That is going ot be interesting.
just
i must say wp and new ro game would need to be watch!!.. i think the game play on film would give you a better break down!! most of step yards was during the 1st 3qtrs or the 4th qtr? and the same for new ro did new ro give up most of the yards in the final 5min of the game new ro could have held step too 6 points they could have easily ran the clock,but they missed manage the game clock!! and wp went 65- 75 yards in the final drive for a td!!
hoops!!...
WE WATCH FOR FOOTBALL FOR DIFFERENT REASONs!!!..... I WATCH A GAME AND MY ENJOYMENT IS EVALUATING THE GAME!!... I WATCH THE PLAY CALLING, I WATCH AND DETERMINE WHAT EACH TEAM IS TRYING TO ESTABLISH, I EVALUATE GAME SPEED, I ALSO EVALUATE THE QUALITY OF PLAY ON THE FIELD, I EVALUATE TALENT VS FOOTBALL PLAYER WHICH YOU JUST REALIZE IS A DIFFERENCE, I ALSO EVALUATE COACHES AND TEAM BODY LANGUAGE (SWAGGER)
Massey ratings have Iona at 16 in the State-
I am not sure that some sportswriter up in Syracuse will have Iona at 6-4 in the top 30- They will probably have some section 2 team that Iona would spank ahead of them as they are just looking at records-
Iona lost to St. Anthony 21-20 and 14-10 so if the genius Upstate NY based Sportswriter does not have them in the top 30 then NY needs to start expanding the number of games as they do in the other football states plus we need to include all the leagues for 1 State Championship- If this were to happen each league should have at least two teams from each individual league competing for the State Championship.
Just,
The Sportswriters poll is terrible this year after the top 2. I think they have St As and Orchard Park right as the Top 2, beyond that it is bizarre. To think Iona is not in the Top 30 in the state is absurd – particularly when both computer rankings have them in the top 10-15. Newburgh is #3, yet lost to unranked Kingston? No Rock is #6, yet lost to unranked Cl North? I’m sorry, but if a loses to an unranked opponent, I’m not so sure they belong in the state Top 5. It will be interesting to see what happens with the Orchard Park/NFA game. I think in the NYPHSAA, the top 3 teams were Orchard Park, Rush Hen and Pittsford. Pittsford lost by a TD in the section 5 chip to RH by 7 (after beating them during the regular season by 4). RH lost in the state QFs to Orch Park in a shootout. Sects 5 and 6 have been the two best sections in AA in the state for years – its a good thing for the rest of the state that they play eachother in the QFs
HOOPS
you watch football b/c it’s your fav team, you are the team “mad” fan, you watch football b/c that team wears your fav color, you dn’t watch the game of football!!... i cn’t see it you dn’t enjoy the game of football you enjoy your fav team playing football!!... you measure every aspect of the game through them!!!.. not through you own perception of the game!! but through what your fav team consider the game!!.... once your team put takes the lead you b/c blinded too the game of football and you cn’t see anything other then what they are accomplishing!! your respect for other teams is totally you trying to keep face and show lil self class!!.......
It was a good first half.
The WP team had a lot of talent but it was clear that the WP coaching staff as for the last 10-15 years has no clue or how to take advantage of their speed and size. Stepinac was ripe for a beat down.
The QB play for WP was suspect, clearly the kid could throw the ball but with no idea as to where to throw it. His decision making was poor. WP seemed intent on throwing the ball deep and “up for grabs”, rather than short and force Stepinac to tackle in the open field. After a key Stepinac turnover giving WP the ball on Stepinac’s 30yd line, WP throws a pick on 1st down? How about continue to run the ball, which at that point they were having success doing? Run down the clock and take a 14-10 lead into halftime? Then in the second half a dreadful fumble by the QB inside Stepinac’s 25? ouch…
WP had success running the ball, but would routinely fumble or get away from what was working befor Stepinac would commit to taking away the run.
I aggree that the undisiplined coaching at WP is at fault, when teams turn the ball over routinely and lose to less talented teams thats a sure sign of poor coaching.
Its a shame that a program with such a storied past, great facilities and talent underachieves year in and year out. Perhaps if the administration was less concerned with “lighting the flag pole” and more concerned with not getting “lit up” on the gridiron things would be different.
Lion,
really only had two teams that were Top 25 caliber East Meadow and Freeport. Freeport was awesome last year, but lost a lot and dropped off a bit. Free won in the regular season by 25pts, but EM won in the county final – no other team in Nassau really challenged either team much this year. In Suffolk (Sect 11), there were 3 good teams – Floyd, Sachem North and Longwood. Floyd lost to both in the regular season, but beat both to win county title. So lots of parity on LI, but one blockbuster team like Freeport had last year or Floyd has had multiple years. I think all 5 of the teams mentioned could play with the Top 6 CHSFL teams, though I doubt they’d be favored over the top 4 CHSFL teams.
I agree with you in general the PSAL and LI publics generally have a number of good teams. Though this year hasn’t been a banner year for either league. Nassau (Sect
As far as the PSAL, I’m not sure if you’ve followed them this year, but it has been a bloodbath! All of the pre-season top teams have been upset and came close to losing other times. Tottenville who looked to be an elite team this year almost lost to a 3-7 Jefferson team in the city QFs and they’d previously been upset. One of the main issues with the PSAL is the scheduling as I’ve said several times before on this blog. The PSAL championship division has 32 teams and the schedules are done strangely, so the #1 team often ends up having most of their games against weaker teams. In other words, the #1 team can play the #32 team – its bizarre. Lincoln is undefeated in the PSAL this year and they look to be the best PSAL team, but with their strange schedule, its hard to really say how good they are. I think the top few PSAL teams could likely play with the top CHSFL teams, but again I don’t think they’d be favored in many of the games.
Prince, the tweets from Josh are pretty much supporting your points. STATS don’t lie. We just need break out STATS by quarter..
WP had that final long drive against New Ro with time running out.
BTW I missed this quote after New Ro was floundering on offense in the First Half vs. WP,
Look what Evans said:
“The Huguenots, after completing just 1 of 11 passes in the first half, returned to the ground to start the third quarter, riding McLean to the go-ahead touchdown.
DiRienzo…said he was pushed back to the run by an unlikely source — Evans.
The senior receiver suggested his team return to pounding the ball.
“When you have a split end say something like that to you, you really know that you have a team,” DiRienzo said.”
PPR,
You make a lot of comments, yet you know little to nothing of what you speak. I like Stepinac of course, but I don’t think ANYONE on this blog including Just would say my pro-Stepinac bias is ANYWHERE near your pro-New Ro bias. You think New Ro is better than No Rock and JJEF, yet they all have equal records and New Ro lost to BOTH head to head! Thats called being a delusional-homer. I’m many things, but I’m not delusional. After Iona beat Step I was not on here saying Step was a better team. I was on here giving credit to a very good Iona team that played and called an excellent game. After New Ro lost to JJEF, you were on here saying New Ro was still the better team. After New Ro lost to No Rock, you were on here saying New Ro was still the better team. Keep believing that my friend…and I have a wonderful bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you for a steal!
And by the way, I have a ton of respect for New Ro’s program and have said it a hundred times. You on the other hand, show no respect to a Stepinac program that is very deserving of any local football teams respect.
Just,
While stats can be informative, they often don’t tell the whole story. Great example would be Stepinac/WP, first of all I don’t think WP put up too many yards on the board overall outside of their 1 td drive. More importantly, you have to look at the yards per play. Step’s O is no huddle so they’ll run a lot more offensive plays than New Ro will…inherently, that gives their opponent more plays and more opportunities to score. If you look at the stats, you also have to look at total possessions. Keep in mind Step scored and kicked off 6x vs WP. And PPR’s comments about the TOs are of course not particularly accurate. TOs hurt both teams, not particularly WP. WP did turn the ball over, but outside of their one early drive, they couldn’t sustain a drive vs Step’s D, so even if they didn’t turn the ball over, there’s really no indication they would’ve scored much if any more points.
Hoops/ Iona Power, I will wait to judge the Sports Writers until everything is finalized Monday probably. Not having Iona in the top 30, not good, but where would you like them? Top 15 to 20 teams very tough. Of course you both will say over JJEF, but no chance. JJEF beat New Ro, neither Step or Iona have as good as win, so there does have to be fairness. Playing a team tough isnt the same as beating a team.
PPR,
No, Stepinac wasn’t blowing them out in the 1st qtr or even halftime. I’m not sure if anyone told you, but football is a 4 qtr game…the score after halftime is nice, but the final score is what matters….............. I AGREE THAT STEP WON THE GAME BUT YOUR SAYING THE SCORE REFLECTS THE GAME??????????????????????.......... OK!!!
This game started out similar to last year’s. WP came out pumped up after a long layoff, Stepinac started out a little sluggish. The game was even for awhile, then Stepinac’s offense took off. I’d be really interested to hear Real Deal/Fan’s take on Stepinac’s playcalling yesterday…......... I WOULD SAY WP PLAYED STARTED OUT SLUGGISH GIVEN UP THAT LAME BLOCK PUNT!!.. TO PUT THE SCORE 10-0 ACTUALLY WP PLAYED BETTER AS THE GAME WENT ON!!...I DN’T THINK STEP PLAYED WORSE THEN WP IN THE BEGINNING!!..... AS FAR AS THE PLAY CALLING AND REAL DEAL OPINION!!... THE O’CORD… “NOT COACH O’D WAS READING THE BLOG!!.... AND COMMON SENSE PREVAILED OVER “IGNORANCE”
A couple points:
1) Stepinac’s D did a better job cstopping WP’s offense than New Ro. Any disagreements?............ YOU ARE WRONG WHITE PLAINS 15PLAYS 76YARDS FOR TOUCHDOWN ON THE DEF..”THAT STOP #1 “RANKED” TEAM WITH THE BACKUPS!! I THINK YOUR WRONG THER!!.. IF YOUR RUNNING THE SPREAD AND YOUR RUNNING THE BALL IT’S THE SAME AS IN THE WING RUNNING THE BALL I WONDER WHO THROUGH MORE BALLS NEW RO OR STEP WHEN THEY PLAYED WP!!.... I KNOW NEW RO ATTEMPTED 11 PASSES IN THE 1ST QTR!!IN BELIEVE!!.... IF ANYTHING IN THE NO HUDDLE “STEP RAN TWICE MORE PLAYS THEN NEW RO PROBABLY HOW MANY POINTS DID STEP SCORE ON OFFENSE????... 28 AND NEW RO SCORED 13 WELL IF STEP RAN THE DBL AMOUNT OF PLAYS FROM THER NO HUDDLE IT WOULD BE SAFE TO SAY IF NEW RO HAD THE SAME AMOUNT OF PLAYS!! THEY WOULD HAVE HAD 26 POINT!!!......
2) TOs were a problem for both teams. I actually thought Stepinac’s D did a very good job forcing fumbles…on several of WP’s TO’s you could see the Step defender swing in and force the ball loose. I wouldn’t at all say TOs hurt WP more than Step because WP had two TOs late in the first half that didn’t account for any points – one TO was at midfield with .9 seconds left in the half…. WELL AVERY FUMBLE INSIDE THE 20 WAS THE GAME CHANGER HE RAN INTO A PACK OF DEFENDERS WITH THE BALL IN HIS HAND (NOT TUCKED)!!..IT WAS CLEAR THAT WAS GOING TO BE A FUMBLE!!..... AND SINCE STEP PLAYERS FORCE THE FUMBLES WHAT DID WP PLAYERS DO!!... HOPE THAT STEP PLAYERS PUT THE BALL ON TE GROUND!!>....... THIS WHAT I’M TLAKING ABOUT “YOUR RESPECT FOR OTHER TEAMS IS TOTALLY YOU TRYING TO KEEP FACE!! YOU GET BLINDED BY YOUR TEAM AND STOP WATCHING THE GAME!!!
3) It was great to see Taps and Evans have big days in their final HS game. Both young men were a pleasure to watch these last few years…..................I TOTALLY AGREE 2 OF THE TOP FOOTBALL PLAYERS IN THE AREA
4) Great capper to a great season for Stepinac!............. YOU CAN FILL IN THIS PART!!
Tiger Clawed,
Its easy to blame coaches. But I have to disagree that coaches aren’t necessarily to be blamed for fumbles. Fumbles have a lot more to do with the kid holding onto the ball, than coaching. Stepinac had fumble problems all year this year, I think it was more an issue with the kids holding onto the ball, than anything to do with coaching. I’m sure all these teams do extensive ball handling drills.
I do agree with you though that if I was a WP fan, I would’ve definitely liked to see Everett get the ball more all season – particularly in some space to make something happen.
Hoops, STATS encompasses, time of possesion, yards , turnovers, all the details of the game. If you get this by quarter, I am sure it will paint the picture.
I checked New Ro site and they dont have the WP-New Ro game. Does Step put the game on their site?
6 Turnovers and a block punt to start the game, Yeeouch!!! Again,
PPR,
Yes, I’m saying the score reflects the game. You disagree with this? The score at the end of the first half reflected the 1st half and the score at the end of the game reflected the entire game.
I’d like to see the stats from both games. You may have a point – New Ro might’ve run more plays than I’d thought, but I would be shocked if WP ran anywhere near as many plays vs New Ro as they did vs Step.
You bring up WP’s 1 scoring drive vs Step. Yes, that did happen. Am I wrong that WP had two scoring drives vs New Ro? – one was the same length as WP’s drive vs Step.
I didn’t say anything about WP’s players doing a good job forcing fumbles as well. I imagine they did, I didn’t notice anything particularly, but it would seem likely. I mentioned the Stepinac players doing a good job forcing fumbles, because on at least two WP fumbles, you could clearly see from the stands a Stepinac defender come in swinging their arms at the ball and then watch the ball pop out. This is nothing critical of anyone of course, its just an observation. Your comments lead me to believe you didn’t actually see the game. Your comments about the St As/Step game clearly showed you didn’t see the game. Are you bothering to watch any games before you criticize Step? Or are you just being negative regardless of what actually happens. Pitiful.
Your comment about double the amount of plays should equal double the amount of points is absurd and COMPLETELY lacking in any football knowledge. 1) An offense can’t just elect to run lots of plays – they have to move the ball to keep getting first downs. A mediocre offense won’t run a lot of plays because they can’t consistently move the ball.
2) New Ro played only 3 tough games all year – JJEF, No Rock and WP – they averaged a whopping 9ppg in those three tough games. Ray Charles would agree New Ro’s offense this year was not particularly strong.
Step does a GREAT job yesterday with play calling and all you can muster is the OC “must’ve been reading the blog!!” Thats funny. You really must have an inflated view of yourself. I’m pretty sure (I hope!) the Step OC could care less what I think, or you think or any blogger thinks. You really think anyone cares what you think about football outside of this blog? THats hilarious.
Hoops Fan,
All teams fumble, but when the ball is not tucked away or its routinely held in the wrong arm and not being coverd up at the point of contact thats coaching. Trust me as someone who has been around WP Football for 40years its all about the lack of GOOD coaching at WPHS.
The interceptions are a joke, the pass patterns are weak(coaching), throwing the ball up for grabs(coaching), throwing into coverage(coaching).
Come on… 6 turnovers? How many times does a team win with 6 TO’s??
Iona probably beats ST. A’s had it not been for the late fumble…while driving for the potential score…killer! and btw Stepinac tossing a pick into ST. A’s endzone was a momentum killer from which Stepinac never recovered from….
Just-
I would say Iona would be between 20-30 because they do have 4 losses all to very good teams- (St. Anthony 2X, Xaverian and Chaminade) Those 3 teams are all very good teams-
The Iona win over Stepinac on the road in my mind was very impressive because they are an excellent team- Beating Chaminade in their rematch was also a high quality win
HOOPS
YOU FORGET:
After Iona beat Step I was not on here saying Step was a better team. I was on here giving credit to a very good Iona team that played
BUT AT THE SAME TIME YOU SAID AFTER MAKING IT TO THE CHIP STEP SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR #1 IN WESTCHESTER!!........... THATS NOT BEING DELUSIONAL AS YOU WOULD SAY?????????
“You really must have an inflated view of yourself. I’m pretty sure (I hope!) the Step OC could care less what I think, or you think or any blogger thinks. You really think anyone cares what you think about football outside of this blog? THats hilarious.”
Hoops, News Flash…
Coach OD was on the site reading comments. So you are selling us he does but not the OC???
LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!
IOna Power, I agree, that was a very good, convincing win. Definitely have to get points for that. I am thinking just under 20, 18 the highest. (have to be behind New Ro at #17,
)
Just,
Your comment about JJEF/Iona are absurd. We know you love New Ro and I have a lot of respect for New Ro. I even don’t have a problem with you giving them the benefit of the doubt at the beginning of the year…but after Thanksgiving, you can’t be ranking New RO based on what they did 8 years ago. BASED ON THIS YEAR, New Ro played a very weak schedule and their only good win was over a WP team that was probably in the Top 40 AA in NYS. JJEF beating New Ro was nice, but this was not a great New Ro team at all. New Ro was ranked around 25-30 in both computer polls and unranked by ESPN, MSG, etc. Kevin had New Ro ranked around #7 in the Hud Valley. Josh’s final rankings remain to be seen. Iona’s win over Stepinac (Top 10 AA by both computers) was way better than JJEF’s win over New Ro – not even close. Iona also beat a very good Chaminade team (Top 25 by both computers), beat a solid Poly Prep team, beat a solid Farrell (Top 25 by both computers) team convincingly and played the #1 team in the state close twice. For instance, Jamestown from Sect 6 was 8-2 and was ranked #22. Jamestown only had two tough games all year – both against #2 Orch Park – they lost both games by 3tds. I think Jamestown is ranked fairly – around #20. But if Iona plays the #1 team twice within a total of 5pts, they deserve to be well ahead of Jamestown. I think Iona belongs around #10-15 just as the computers have them.
HOOPS
Step does a GREAT job yesterday with play calling and all you can muster is the OC “must’ve been reading the blog!!” Thats funny. You really must have an inflated view of yourself. I’m pretty sure (I hope!) the Step OC could care less what I think, or you think or any blogger thinks. You really think anyone cares what you think about football outside of this blog? THats hilarious.
FIRST I NEVER SAID ME I SAID!!... REAL DEAL OPINION I WAS TALKING ABOUT!!
SECOND
DIDN’T YOU OR COACH O’D POST!!.. SO AGAIN I WILL SAY THE O CORD WAS READING THE BLOGG AND TOOK ADVICE FROM A SO CALLED “NOBODY” AS YOU WOULD PUT IT!!
HOOPS
hoops you posted:
I didn’t say anything about WP’s players doing a good job forcing fumbles as well. I imagine they did, I didn’t notice anything particularly!!!!!,................
this goes back too me pointing out how you dn’t watch the GAME you just watch your FAVORITE TEAM!!... that above sentence is the proof!!.. and that you stop watching the game after a certain point!!
HOOPS
new ro lost to the 2 teams that played for the “chip”!!!... you was blown out by a team that didn’t play in the chip!!.. shouldn’t that matter!!....... yea i know!!
It seem The Spread offense is a slow starter and takes over in the second half. If you can get way ahead in the first half then you will likely beat Stepinac or POK
Hoops, New Ro would beat Step. But that is hearsay.
Lets get back to the point. JJEF beat a top 20 team in the State. Who did Step beat? Step playing #1 team in the State got blown out the first time and then lost by 14pts in the rematch. North Rock and JJEF beat New Ro. You also lost to approx the #20 team in the State. JJEF only lost to North Rock, a top 10 team in the State.
Who is being absurd????
just
is it fair too say that new ro lost to 2 very good teams????? or is that out of line!!.. all i here is the chsfl guys!!.. taking ther loses and weighing them above victories!!!....
WHER THEY DO THAT AT????
JUST
” DUCK”...... HERE COME THE BIRD “POO, POO”
HOOPS IS GOING TO SPIN IT WICKEDLY!!!!
Just a fact – 10K November 25th, 2011 at 11:54 am
Hoops, New Ro would beat Step. But that is hearsay.
Lets get back to the point. JJEF beat a top 20 team in the State. Who did Step beat? Step playing #1 team in the State got blown out the first time and then lost by 14pts in the rematch. North Rock and JJEF beat New Ro. You also lost to approx the #20 team in the State. JJEF only lost to North Rock, a top 10 team in the State.
Who is being absurd????
YOU ARE THE BEST!!!
PPR,
You are a waste. Who is the ‘nobody’ who in your imaginary world Step’s OC read the blog and took tips from? If you’ve watched Step all year – which I’m not so sure if you have – yesterday is the same type of play calling Step has been using all year. Same type of excellent play calling they had vs Xaverian, etc.
Husky,
You have a great point about the spread often being a slow starting offense. I think the same goes for the no huddle. The no huddle is designed to tire out the D and take advantage of that. Obviously, that will happen more in the second half. Each of the last two Turkey Bowls, Step really turned it on in the 3rd qtr and WP couldn’t stop them in the second half. Very good post.
Prince, are you saying, Hoops is calling the plays? Hope not for Step sake?
But I agree , if your HC is reading the Blog so is the rest of the Staff. You are right all those battles (mostly last year) are now ALL making sense(coming to light).
The question, out of all the Step Blogger names, who is who???? Crusader4Life – calling the D? “G” got Special Teams – LOLOLOL!!!
PPR,
I do agree that New Ro did lost to two very good teams. I also would agree Step lost to 2 very good teams. There is not a shadow of a doubt in my mind, or any knowledgable football fan that St As and Iona are better than No Rock and JJEF.
Just,
I understand you don’t watch any football and you don’t follow the CHSFL, so I’ll inform you.
In terms of wins, Step beat a Top 10 Xaverian team, a Top 25 Chaminade team, a Top 25 Mount team, twice beat a Top 30 or so Holy Cross team, beat a top 40 WP team 38-14. The extent of New Ro’s good wins was 13-12 over a Top 40 WP team. There is not even a comparison. Any disagreements?
Just,
If you ONLY judge your opinions based on one source of information – the sportswriters poll (which is based on people who haven’t seen the teams play) then maybe you can make an uninformed argument argument about New Ro over Step. But if you incorporate what they each did vs WP, then you have ZERO argument. And if you incorporate ANY of the other sources of information about local football – Josh, Kevin, ESPN, MSG – there is no argument. Sorry. Next year looks promising for New Ro though…
JUST
I SAID BACK IN APRIL-MAY WHEN WE WHERE RANKING COACHES IN CLASS AA AND A I SAID SKIP STAFF IS NEAR THE BOTTOM!!............................ WELL
TIGER CLAWS!!... POST
TIGER CLAWED November 25th, 2011 at 11:34 am
Hoops Fan,
All teams fumble, but when the ball is not tucked away or its routinely held in the wrong arm and not being coverd up at the point of contact thats coaching. Trust me as someone who has been around WP Football for 40years its all about the lack of GOOD coaching at WPHS.
The interceptions are a joke, the pass patterns are weak(coaching), throwing the ball up for grabs(coaching), throwing into coverage(coaching).
HOOPS
WHER IS THE PROOF!!.. THAT IONA IS BETTER THEN JJEF AND NEW RO!!... ...B/C IONA BEAT YOU!!.. SO TO STRENGTHEN YOUR TEAM!.... YOU TRY AND DOWN PLAY EVERY OTHER TEAM!!.. THATS YOUR STYLE!!!!
JUST
LOL…................. BUT VERY TRUE!!
Prince, are you saying, Hoops is calling the plays? Hope not for Step sake?
But I agree , if your HC is reading the Blog so is the rest of the Staff. You are right all those battles (mostly last year) are now ALL making sense(coming to light).
The question, out of all the Step Blogger names, who is who???? Crusader4Life – calling the D? “G” got Special Teams – LOLOLOL!!!
HUSKY
THE SPREAD IS A FAST PACE HIGH SCORING OFFENSE IT’S NOT DESIGNED TO PLAY IN THE SECOND HALF!!... HOOPS IS AGREEING WITH YOU B/C OF YESTERDAY OUTCOME OF THE GAME!!.... IF THAT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED I BET $1 HE WOULD HAVE TOTALLY DISAGREED!!.. HOPES ONLY AGREE WITH ANYONE WHEN IT’S BENEFICIAL!!!...
Pok 13 HHS 6 at halftime, POK rallies in the 3rd quarter for 21 unanswered to win by 40pts. That was POK routine all year, POK had 13 pts at the half or even down by 21 to Nyack, then POK comes out of the locker room and the Offense is clicking on all cylinders and blow teams out. It seems that happened with Stepinac/ WP game. But if you face a good disipline team like St Anthony you r done!
In 2010, HHS would get ahead of a spread team and keep them down with good defense and a consistent offense. Its hard to get the spread going on rythem. One downfall to the spread O’
HOOPS
WHY ARE YOU INSULTING NEW RO COACHES!!.. I THINK YOU OWE THEM A APOLOGY THAT WAS VERY DISRESPECTFUL!! WHAT YOU SAID!!... ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU DN’T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT NEW RO OFFENSE
An offense can’t just elect to run lots of plays – they have to move the ball to keep getting first downs. A…...... “mediocre offense”.............. won’t run a lot of plays because they can’t consistently move the ball.
PPR,
I’ll answer your question about the ‘proof’ about Iona being better than JJEF. Iona lost twice to the #1 team in the state by a total of 5 pts!!! They also beat a Top 25 Chaminade team, beat a Top 10 Step team. JJEF lost twice to No Rock by 20pts and 7pts. No Rock is nowhere near as good as St As. JJEf’s one very good win was over a Top 25 New Ro team – impressive, yes, but not as good as Iona’s resume, not even close.
HUSKY
I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT!!.. BUT THATS NOT THE SPREAD OFFENSE THATS THE DEFENSE CREATING THE SITUATION 90% OF THE TIME!!
PPR,
New Ro averaged 9 PPG vs No Rock, JJEF, and WP. Would you call them something other than mediocre? I don’t even think New Ro’s coaches would argue their offense was much more than mediocre this year. And I in no way insulted New Ro’s coaches. You are pathetic, New Ro’s coaches are commendable – they do a good job every year.
Just,
Thank goodness I’m not calling plays for Stepinac. I acknowledge the difference between being a coach busting their behind hours a day for months and months, studying film, working with the kids…and being a blogger behind a computer screen. I get the difference and know my place in the football universe. I think some people don’t know their place in the football world…
HOOPS
IONA BEAT A SOLID POLY PREP!!!........... WHAT WAS THER RECORD!!!.. THE LAST TIME I CHECK THEY WHER 1WIN AND 7 LOSES!!... KEEP BOOSTING THINGS UP!!!
HOOPS
YOU JUST INSULTED THEM OR WHERE YOU INSULTING THE 17 YR OLD PLAYERS???
HOOPS
OK COACH!!
JUST
THERE IS NO REAL PROOF THAT SAINT ANT’S WOULD BEAT!!(I WATCH SAINT ANT3-4X THIS YEAR THIS IS ONE OF THER WORST TEAMS AND CHSFL TEAMS COULD NOT FIND A WAY TO BEAT THEM WHEN THEY WHER ASKING FOR A LOST).. EVERY TEAM IN THE STATE!! ALSO I THINK THAT THE CHSFL IS RATED ON WHAT THE DID 6-10 YRS AGO
THE CHSFL HAS BEATEN WHO’ S, WHO IN THE PUBLIC LEAGUE THIS YEAR!
SEC9 TEAMS THAT THEY BEAT NONE OF THE TEAMS MADE THE PLAYOFF
POLY PREP!... THAT WENT 1-7 THE LAST TIME I CHECKED!!
WHAT WAS THE SCORES OF THE GAMES?????????? I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THAT PIT, R/H O/PARK WOULD BEAT EVERY TEAM IN THE CHSFL AND AQUINAS WOULD ALSO!!
Whats done is done. Here are the facts….
Iona had 3 league losses
1) Stepinac wins by 24 pts.
2) Stepinac D gives up less pts then New Ro D did against WP.
3) New Ro beat WP by 1pt. A game that should have went to OT
4) WP lost to Sect 1 AA champs by 4 pts. WP lost to Step by 24 pts
5) Step reaches AAA championship losing to ST A’s (#1 team in state) in a tough game
6) New Ro loses in Sect 1 AA Semifinals.
7) Iona beat Stepinac
.......it doesnt take a genius to break these eight facts down and come up with the conclusion that 1) Stepinac is better then New Rochelle and 2) The CHSFL AAA is better then then Sect 1 AA….In conclusion all I have to say is….24 POINTS!!! Better luck in the basketball season this year prince
Again, I wish the CHSFL would have a better non-league schedule. I commend St As for scheduling Bergen next 2 years.
Otherwise, the CHSFL reminds me of the Big 10 for the last decade….a big reputation, alot of good schools, that beat on each other, with one one usually strong team (mostly OSU), and lots of ranked teams.
...but when the Big 10 plays in the BCS series of bowls, or have venturedoutside the Big 10, they have not fared well.
Next year St As playing Bergen is a legitimate step up in competition.
usually have been soundly beat
10605
you forgot!!.... step is #3 behind new ro and iona and step beat the#7 in class aa!!...
Hoops, though I only made it two games this year, I have seen 4 in their entirety and I have seen numerous clips thanks to msgvarsity and youtube. Plus like I have told you I KNOW HOW TO READ and listen to guys knowledgeable about the game who have seen numerous teams play!!!
Save the bashing of the Sportwriters because it suits you but you could not dispute any FACTS I put in front of you – as usual!!!
just
here are the touches of white , cge, and hoffer
cge… 9- 57 siant
cge…6-15 iona
cge 9-22 chip
cge 13- 98 wp******...note… after real deal!!.. on the blogg not at coach o’d office
..
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white 9-98 saint
white 18-137 iona
white 22-79 chip
white 11-56 wp*****.... note….. same as above more balance inthe play calling!.. thanks “real deal” for putting the o’c on deck!!!
Just a fact – 10K November 25th, 2011 at 11:54 am
Hoops, New Ro would beat Step. But that is hearsay.
Lets get back to the point. JJEF beat a top 20 team in the State. Who did Step beat? Step playing #1 team in the State got blown out the first time and then lost by 14pts in the rematch. North Rock and JJEF beat New Ro. You also lost to approx the #20 team in the State. JJEF only lost to North Rock, a top 10 team in the State.
Who is being absurd????
YOU ARE THE BEST!!!
Prince “ALWAYS MAKE SENSE” Rign!!!
True true, we won’t know who the real #1 team is in NYS, but I am willing to give them(St.A) that if the Sports Writers deem so.
These Step bloggers/coaches are why I really dont want New Ro to play Iona, the reward of New Ro spanking Step is far too great!!!
****REIGN!!!!!
lion
You question the CHSFL non league schedules- At least they attempt to play a non league slate- When was the last time a section 1 team played a non league schedule- I know for a fact that Iona wants to play a very good non league game to open their season- It was not their fault that Poly Prep lost a high level QB and had their first bad season in a decade-
You question the CHSFL and say they live on thier previous rep- Well what has section 1 done to earn their current rep- All I know is I watched in person Stepinac beat down a White Plains team that lost to New Rochelle by a point and North Rockland by 4 points- It was so bad I walked out with 6 minutes left in the game-
10605
Great rebuttal talking about the CHSFL – That was my opening argument yesterday-
Since Week 5, Evans has had….
St. A’s: 10 touches
Holy Cross: 12
Iona: 7
Fordham: 13
Holy Cross: 14
Xaverian: 15
St. A’s: 10
WP: 14
It’s been basically the same number every game except for Iona. I’d say most running backs receive fewer touches/carries when their teams are losing. Obviously, they pass more. Christian Conway’s least carries in a game this season came against Blind Brook, but he had 10 by halftime. His two lowest totals for a full game? Both games vs. Dobbs.
It’d be the same thing for a college or NFL RB. You can feed the ball to Adrian Peterson if you’re losing 45-7 to the Packers.
Like I said last night, as someone who watched the last three Stepinac games on the field, the plays yesterday were the same. Same formations. Same division of plays between Hoffer and White.
The biggest change for Stepinac in recent weeks was on defense — moving Heslop to DE, Shaw to LB and bringing the sophomore Itwaru up to play safety improved the defense.
just
it’s amazing that the past 2years that step has beaten the #7 team in class AA and they some becomes better then every team in class AA it’s amazing to me wp has not made it out of the 1st rounds of the playoff but theyr’e worth i weighed by what they do vs step!.. if wp wins they dn’t move up in class aa but if step when they leap frog over the whole league thats to me is b/s!! when knowing that class AA defensive league and scoring alot of points is not normal ( b/c everyone is running the ball 95% of the time) step runs a offens that suppose to produce alot of points!! (spread) so to me when a spread team has 14 points in the middle of the 3rd qtr!!.. theyr’e being outplayed!!.. and this goes back to my point about watching the film and judging the game play!! the score board is miss leading!! 35 points i mean 28 points in the spread is not alot of points especially when you have talent!! and you playing a team that has not seen the spread all season!! 40+ points should be the min.especially with a 1k rusher and 1k passer vs the #7 team in class AA that not really impressive!!.... you more or less got by!!... you didn’t dominate!!!
josh
i did not count the catches as you have!!.. we wher talking about running the ball
josh
hoffer
5-13 saint
8-19 iona
1-6 chip…. josh they wher only down by 7 points they vacated the pass!!... no?
6-11. wp
josh
also we wher looking at the game step lost!
Prince… Hoffer had a tough game vs. St. A’s. White played QB the last two drives of the game and did all the throwing. Evans only got the ball once after Stepinac fell behind 14-0.
Iona Power,
I do believe that CHSFL is living off its rep, but can agree that section 1 is also doing the same!
I know the 3 games in 11 days is difficult for the sec 1 playoff teams, but nonetheless, you can’t help but be discouraged by this years tournament results, or conclude that in recent years that sec 1 has been taking advantage of the weaker bracket in this part of the state.
For the CHSFL, its hard for me to remember a win over a certfiably difficult non-league opponent. Ony St A’s win 2 years ago over State College, PA. comes close, but that State College team went on to have a sub par year.
I’d love to see sect 1 publics with more non-league games, but the section 1 beauracracy cannot even get the playoffs right (3 in 11 days) and are hopelessley inept. You’d think a less beauracrartic CHSFL could do this.
Finally, I ignore computer rankings or polls where voters never see the teams (Massey, Maxpreps, NYSSPWAA). Only the MSG tri-region top 25 is sufficently thoughtful for the teams in this area.
HAHA so if WP is the #7 team in AA then how come you could you beat them by 1 PT!! WP could have and should have beat new rochelle. They lost because of penalties. What has hurt WP the most in recent years is being very undisciplined. How come Steps Defense could hold wp offense to scoring just 1 TD but the almighty New Rochelle defense couldnt do the same? Football is 4 quarters. At the end of the day Stepinac beat WP by 24 pts in 4 quarters, and New Ro only won by a pt in 4 quarters. How can you even argue that? its not like the difference was between 7-10 pts. We won by 23 more pts then you did! thats 3+ more scores!!!
josh
white
3-7 passing in the chip
josh
so cge only ran the ball 8x in 2qtrs and a half!!!!!!! i think that was part of “real” point he was trying to make!!!!!!!!
10605
wp had 7 big miscues yesterday 6 t.o. and a blocked punt that put the ball inside the 15 for step and they fumbled atleast 2x inside the 20 going in for scores!! i think wp should have put atleast 28 points!! on step!! and was in the position to do it!
but they didnt…..i think they should have put 50 up on new ro, but they didnt….....did u forget about the step turnovers and how our punter kept shanking it? bottom line is… 24 pts!
10605
you must didn’t watch the game mr know it all!!.... was wp plains punter shanking the punts?????????????? ok!!
no body could put up 50 on new ro especially i new york!!... but wait didn’t saint ants stomp “55” points into your . . $$!!!.. you might have forgot!!.. if i was you i would stay away from 55 dollars, “55 points”. 55mhp, 55 friends, 55 points in the chip couple back chsfl aa, stay away from 55 anything!! hahahaha
just
help me i’m confused who infor is correct
josh .. cge 13 carries wp 6 t.o.’s
or
kevin cge 14 carries wp 7 t.o.’s
JOSH
what happened to reuben ribberio the t.e. 6’3 235lb kid for wp!!.. didn’t see him out ther did he play or did i miss him!! he just ran accross the brain!!!!
PPR,
I can sum up your entire view of the New Ro/Step/WP/JJEF/No Rock debate…”should’ve”. You can only talk about “should’ve”. You live in a fantasy world – most of us prefer reality. Notice in your comments you are so often writing should’ve/could’ve/would’ve. I on the other hand am always writing about “actually did”, “actually happened”, “actually occured on the field”.
Lion,
I respect the not paying too much attention to the sportswriters or computer rankings – I agree there are faults in each. In addition to the MSG tri-state, you should look at the ESPN Big Apple poll – thats very good as well. Josh and Kevin don’t rank the CHSFL, LI pubs or PSAL, but they do a great job with the Hud Val teams.
Prince… Ribiero suffered a torn ACL during the middle of the regular season and was out the rest of the year.
Just… Avery threw for 185 against New Ro and 52 against Stepinac. WP had about 65-70 rushing in the New Ro game (notebook is messy; it rained that day) and had 90-100 yards rushing vs. Stepinac.
Lion
I can assure you that the Coach at Iona is willing to play anyone Look at his track record – He has played Bergen Catholic in the past- Iona wanted to be part of a doubleheader a few years ago along with St. Anthony to face Aquinas and Union Endicott but that was stopped by Aquinas- this past year he would have played Monroe Woodbury but they had committed to playing Poly Prep a week before the Section 9
CHSFL challenge was announcedI am sure if it could be arranged i know they would face New Rochelle in a heartbeat-The other CHSFL teams this year did face the very good Buffalo Catholics this year while Xaverian did face Monroe Woodbury who is usually a factor in the State playoffs- It is not Xaverians fault that Monroe had a off year by their standards-
Hoops
You deal with the “actual happening” on the field when it comfortable!!!.... Have you actually accepted that north Rock, Iona, new Ro, jjef should be ranked head of step!!! 1) b/c step either was blown out by the team or the team only lost was too the team that played in the chip!!! I bet that actually fact!! You will turn into. Should’ve , could’ve , would’ve, and a “atleast we” ......:)
Josh
After seeing Iona, Stepinac, New Rochelle and North Rockland please give the audience your predictions if the following games were played this weekend- It would be interesting for your objective viewpoint predictions. All games at Neutral sites
Stepinac- New Rochelle
Iona Prep – New Rochelle
Stepinac -North Rockland
Iona – North Rockland
iona – Stepinac if they had a rematch
Prince… Kevin wasn’t at the game and I didn’t keep the stats. I was just there to watch. We had another reporter there; so did MSG.
It was definitely six turnovers — two interceptions, four fumbles. There was also the blocked punt, but that doesn’t count as a turnover.
IonaPower… I’ll have my final Top 10 this week and that will reflect how I feel about this question. I’d rather not get into it here because it will only protract a discussion that the majority of readers to this blog find tedious (and tell me in person weekly).
I’m not trying to be evasive. I just don’t want to be drawing sides. I’ll take all the evidence from the season into account when I pick the Top 10. Iona and Stepinac are especially tough to judge because Stepinac has the superior resume (Xaverian and Chaminade results) but Iona won head to head comfortably.
Josh
Avery played a bad game yesterday bad throws, poor handling of the ball, poor decesion making!!! And I dnt think it had too much to do with step he was just out of rythm!!! If Avery went for 185yds in new ro 65+yards I believe came in the final minutes of the game!! If I’m correct!!
61 yards. Drive started at the WP 39. It was a 45-yard pass and a 16-yarder, I believe.
Josh
Why when You look at sec1 team with a resume like the one you claim step has!! Why do it have less weight!!!.... Just curious!!....when ther is no true factor!! That anyone of the teams in fact better then each other other then!! the teams that has played each other!! If ther is no clear cut facts how do automatically rank your local league 2nd!!when actually chsfl is playing better ball as a fact!! But playing a different style of football is the true fact!! If your choosing a diff style of play over another then that’s a diff story!! It’s like saying boxing is automatically better then wrestling!!.....
Jjef, north Rock, Iona, new Ro, all has impressive wins just as or more impressive then step!! Outside xaverian!! A team I’m still not sold on!! Chaminade has lost too step, Iona, saint ants!! When do these teams get put in the proper place!! Wher rewarding teams on here say!! And b/c they played tough!!! If that’s the case wher is the punishment for getting blown out!!! It doesn’t make sense!!!.... Are we ranking teams or we ranking ” almost”!!.......
Stepinac beat White Plains by 24 points. White Plains played New Ro and North Rockland tough. And Iona Prep beat Stepinac by 13. That looks good for Stepinac and especially good for Iona when it comes to how they match up against Class AA teams. I don’t know how it can be seen differently.
Xaverian beat Monroe by 11. That reflects well on Xaverian. Yes, Monroe did not make the playoffs, but it lost 7-0 to NFA, which is in the Class AA state final. NFA then beat Shen, which beat North Rockland. ... Xaverian also beat Iona by three touchdowns, and I think we would both concede that Iona is a good team. Xaverian was very good then. ... And Stepinac beat Xaverian. Again, that reflects well on Stepinac.
I also believe Stepinac and Iona are very talented teams based on watching them play. That is with the exception of the Stepinac-St. Anthony’s game, and I was pretty critical of Stepinac after that game. I believe Stepinac improved since then, most notably with the defensive adjustments.
But it’s not even about what I see because that means less to me than what actually happened on the field. That favors those teams.
I know you don’t like it or agree and that’s fine. But believe me, there were plenty of other seasons where I thought Section 1 teams (namely New Ro) were better. New Ro’s ‘04 team was the best. Iona’s ‘08 team was there, too, along with New Ro ‘03. Some years it’s the Section 1 team. Other years it’s the Catholic team. This year I think we have enough evidence to favor the Catholic teams with the exception of North Rockland, which, without having to cram four playoff games in such a short time, could’ve played for a state title. Unfortunately, we’ll never know.
Josh
Losing Reuben is. Huge lost!! On both sides of the ball 2nd best d-line best TE #10 struggled!!!
Josh
I understand your points- You can also look at the facts that Mount St. Michael lost by 1 point to Stepinac and they were the 8th seed in the playoffs- That my friend should tell you how deep the CHSFL AAA really is when you have a Mount St. Michael team number 8-
its gonna have to be Iona and Stepinac at #1 and #2. Im obviously biased so my opinion on it wouldnt matter. Just happy 2 CHSFL teams will be the top 2 teams. Heres my 3-10…
3) North Rockland
JJCR
4) JJEF
5) New Ro
6) WP
7) Poughkeepsie
9) Clarkstown South
10) Dobbs
Josh
This what I’m talking about we are rewarding teams for losing close games over teams that actually won the game!! And now we are giving team style points!! Spread offense naturally scores more point!! But that does not mean that step is better then jjef or new Ro, north rock!!! If anything you would Hve to consider teams defensive ability!!!...especially if they have not played!!.... Something that cnt be discredit!!! Josh when Iona beat step who was the higher seed at the time!???.....
Josh did you think north roc and new Ro outcome!! Do u think style of play factored in the low scoring out come!!?
A’s for nfa the played in slop!! But they actually shut out!! Mw something that xaverian couldn’t do!! That favors nfa defensive performance!!
Josh craming those games I believe reflected on newro, jjef, north Rock!!! It’s to me hard to weigh games on speculation!!! especially when every team didn’t show up!! atleast a game or two I can not see how wp speaks for sec1 that’s totally crazy!!! they cnt get out of the 1st round!! That’s a very insulting measuring stick!!! I think wp was the most talented team in westchester!!! Ther coaches might have been the worse!!!of the coaches I think the spread express the players athleticism
Iona power
Is ther any difference then wp losing #7 losing to north RockThat does not show how good the sec1 football is?
Prince… I mentioned one important result of a team that lost. Monroe vs. NFA. No others.
Also, I’d agree with you about the style of play, but when comparing the games, didn’t Stepinac score far more and allow the same or fewer points to White Plains than any of the Section 1 teams? Yes. So style of play doesn’t cut it. White Plains had about 150 total yards yesterday as well. White Plains had more than that against all five of its top opponents — all teams that made the playoffs: North Rockland, Clarkstown North, Arlington, New Ro and Scarsdale. So I don’t think your style-of-play reasoning jives in this case.
Prince
I think Section 1 AA is a very good league- Teams like JJEF, North Rockland, New Rochelle are very good teams
10605
you are almost there!!!!
10605 November 25th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
its gonna have to be Iona and Stepinac at #1 and #2. Im obviously biased so my opinion on it wouldnt matter. Just happy 2 CHSFL teams will be the top 2 teams. Heres my 3-10…
3) North Rockland
4) JJEF
5) New Ro
6) WP
7) Poughkeepsie
JJCR
Dobbs
9) Clarkstown South
10) Dobbs
1) north roc
2) Iona
3) jjef
4) new Ro
5) step
6) Pok
7) jjcr
9) croton
10)
Josh
Can you post the stats!!! I think if you say!! Step won by 24 basically puts them ahead of sec1 teams!! I think that can be looked at as “jive” also !! Especially when wp is #7 atleast!!!
5 out of 6
I think Section 1 was on a low this year. 2012 we will dominate
Class A section 2 was very strong this year evidence suggesting
Stronger than section 1
Actually Section 1 took the back seat this year in he big classes
IonaPower,
I agree Sect 1 AA was a good league this year – you had four teams that were all within a few points of eachother – No Rock, JJEF, New Ro and WP, then Cl North and Cl South that both played very well at times during the year (after two weeks, Cl North looked like the second best team in AA). Next year should be interesting with No Rock and New Ro both returning a lot of talent. Arlington with Howard coming back (I assume they’ll have a big line as usual).
I also think ranking Step and Iona this year could be tricky. Stepinac had the better overall season in my opinion – they advanced to the AAA Finals, finished #2 in the regular season, plus they beat a very good Xaverian team, a very good Chaminade team and a very good Mount team (that Iona didn’t have to play). Iona lost to Xaverian and Chaminade (the 1st game), didn’t have to play Mount, and only advanced to the AAA Semis. However, when they played head-to-head, Iona was without a doubt the better team and Iona played St As very, very close both games. I give the edge to Step for the AAA Finals appearance and big wins over Xaverian and Cham. But both teams had very good seasons either way you look at it.
Hoops
How can you rate step season over Iona!! You are funny typical of what I said about you earlier!!! Iona power if you let hoops tell that Iona had a ok season but not better then step you need your head checked out!! Personally I think it’s a insult!!! That he would try and sell you your home back!!!...... Hoops your are a piece a work!!!
1st Iona played and performed better then you!!! The beat the mess out of you and played saint ants to a 1 or and 4 or game and lost the 1pt b/c of no kicker!!! They lost to chaminade!!! Innthe reg season!! But beat them in the playoff!! When the game matter the most you cnt claim that step had the hardest road to the chip I without a doubt if you played saint ants in the semi you would not have been in the chip!!! Fact!!! The xaverian vs Iona was turnover fest by Iona that resulted in 3 td’s you keep giving mount this great credit for what??.... Who did they beat between Iona, step, saint ants??.... What did they do on the field!! That makes them great!!!
Prince,
no doubt iona kicked stepinacs $#!%, the step coaches will tell you that, but they played for the title, iona didn’t. Stepinac beat the #15 ranked team in the state (xaverian) in the semifinal, that was a great win and their best win all year. You make excuses that xaverian beat iona bc of turnovers, well st. Ants beat xaverian bc of turnovers. Then after stepinac lost to st. Ants they come back and wax white plains, never an easy thing to do after you play st. Ants. As you said iona beat chaminade in the playoffs “when it counts” stepinac made it to the title game, iona didn’t and new ro didn’t.
You have serious personal issues with stepinac that it is starting to get scary. You live by the “would’ve could’ve should’ve” the 2011 title game was st. Ants over stepinac – period. The 2011 turkey bowl was stepinac over w.plains – period.
stepinac had a very good season, if you can’t accept that then there is seriously something wrong with you.
iona stepinac new rochelle are very good westch.county football programs.
Prince you are the man and new ro is the best program in the county, in fact they might have even invented the game, can you stop hating now…thx!
1. New ro. 2. Iona. 3. Stepinac….now hopefully you sleep good tonight.
Iona Power,
i don’t doubt Iona’s coach willingness to play more non-league games, nor dodge tough non-league opponents.
But they have not played a tough non-league game since Bergen 2 yeas ago. A below avg Bergen team beat a below avg Iona team.
A lot of this is beyond the Iona coach control. Best intentions when scheduling Poly, but it ended up they Poly wasn’t good either. No fan of Aquinas here, but who knows why they could not schedule IP.
The CHSFL hierarchy should free-up there teams for one more added non-league game per season. Bergen, Bosco, Joes play at least 3 non-league games per year.
To Josh..Monroe was not good. A poor measuring stick to bestow greatness on Xaverian (although I think Xaverian is good!) But, NFA would have beat MW much worse than 7-0 if not for the MSG TV mush bowl they were made to play in.
Hoops Fan
Yes Stepinac had a memorable season reaching the CHSFL AAA- You can make arguments both ways between Iona and Stepinac but if you look at the playoffs Stepinac benefited from being in the opposite bracket from St . Anthony which made the road to the final easier – Also Iona had a much harder Quarterfinal game in playing Chaminade where Stepinac played a young Holy Cross team- Iona played one poor game all year in that debacle to Xaverian- I believe if they played Xaverian again they would have beaten them in the Semifinals- Also Iona without a doubt gave St. Anthony their two toughest tests on the ROAD which is big- You know St. Anthony has probably not lost more than 3 games at home in the last 10 years if that- Iona played those games on the road in a tough place- Also you cant discount the fact that Iona did beat Stepinac in a very tough environment- Everything was set up for Stepinac to give Iona a beatdown – (Home Opener for a new field, Night game, Veteran team vs young team) and Iona came out and won in a convincing fashion-Also Stepinac did not play a tougher schedule in the regular season as Iona played all the other 3 teams taht made the semifinals- Remember Stepinac did not play Xaverian during the regualr season while Iona did have that game-
In the end both teams did not win the grand prize which in my mind is the CHSFL AAA Championship but they can say they had good seasons and earned the respect of the football community.
Lion
A few years ago the CHSFL did give teams the chance to schedule two non league games and it proved to be tough for teams to find games- Ioan could not find a second non league game and New Caneen agreed to allow Iona to call it a game while they counted it as a scrimmage-
Unless Section 1 and Long Island allow their teams to play an extra game or schedule a non league game it will be hard to find non league games-Iona-Stepinac used to be a non league game when Stepinac played in the CHSFL AA which made it easier for Iona to put thier schedule together- Iona over the years has played the following teams in their non league schedule- Newburgh Free Academy, Kingston, Poly Prep, New Caneen, Bergen Catholic, New Rochelle and Mount Vernon in 1983.
I do agree that Iona could step up and find some Florida team to play or a Pennsylvania team the way St. Anthony played St. Joseph of Philly and State College-
Josh,I asked for stats of game did udu arre breakin provide????seems all i got was qg stats..
Lion
Great point::..... I said that in sept!!!
To Josh..Monroe was not good. A poor measuring stick to bestow greatness on Xaverian (although I think Xaverian is good!) But, NFA would have beat MW much worse than 7-0 if not for the MSG TV mush bowl they were made to play in.
If any of the chsfl teams are looking for games I can find them games too play!!!:)
I said before Josh should set up crossover week in OCT.. The chsfl plays sec1 this could help shed some light on the debate!!!
IonaPower,
How did Iona do vs MV in ‘83. That was before Hughley and Small – the two great RBs I remember at MV, right?
I meant no disrespect to Iona’s team saying Step had the better season. Obviously, head to head, IOna played great and won a big game. Iona’s win over Stepinac was a great win as Step finished as probably a Top 10 team in the state according to the computers. IOna’s win over Step was just as good if not better than Step’s win over Xaverian (another Top 10-15 team). I think overall Step and Iona were very close this year. Iona played much better and won head to head, Step advanced farther in the playoffs and had the big win over Xaverian where Iona lost big to Xaverian. Very hard to choose who would deserve #1 locally – I think you can argue either team reasonably. And yes, Step benefitted from being in the opposite side of the bracket from St As, but don’t forget that they earned that getting the #2 seed. Iona was stuck with St As in the semis because they finished #4. The Post has Step #2, Xaverian #3 and Iona #4. I think Kevin had Iona over Step a couple weeks ago. Clearly you can go either way.
Step alum
You giving step wayyyyyyyyy toooooooooo much credit!! They wher good!! Not great!! You had the easy way too the chip!!.... Please!!
PPR,
Crossover games in Oct will never work. If crossover games are going to happen, it would have to be week 1 before regular seasons start. As far as Monroe not being good, that is absurd of course.
Saying MW was not good this year is nonsense, as usual. MW lost 7-0 in a mud bowl to NFA. MW runs a spread…I can’t imagine it was easy for MW to run their offense in that terrible footing, so it clearly hurt both teams. You seem to forget that MW beat Kingston (the team that advanced over them because of a weird tiebreaker – it was a 3 way tie along w/ NFA). You also seem to forget that MW beat Binghampton. Binghampton won Sect 4 AA, then upset West Genesee (the Sect 3 champ) in the state QFs – WG had been ranked in the Top 7-8 by the sportswriters and had blown out CBA in the Sect 3 Final. Yes, it was not a great season by MW standards, but at the end of the year they lost only two games – 1 to a team in the NYPHSAA Final and the other to an excellent Xaverian team. AND MW has a win over the #14 sportswriters team Binghampton. Did New Ro beat a team in the sportswriters Top 25 that I forgot about?
Turn about is fair play.
Last year Iona Prep was final no 1 team in varsityinsider poll, despite losing to Step during regular season.
This year, Step loses to Iona during regular season, and Step maybe no.1!!!
Hoops,
MW was not that good, nor was Kingston or west genny. Maybe just respectable.
MW is well coached though, and that allowed them to stay close to a very good NFA team in deplorable field conditions. No doubt game would have been postponed if not for MSG varsity tv commitment…
PPR,
Saying Step had the easy way to the AAA Final is more nonsense, as usual. Step was the #2 seed in the CHSFL – they deserved the benefits of being #2. Main benefit of being #2 is to avoid #1 until the final and home field in the QFs and Semis. This is how it ALWAYS works in the real world…how it should work in your fantasy land i don’t know. Step earned #2 by taking care of business in the regular season. If Iona beat Cham, they would’ve been #2, but they didn’t and they ended up #4. #4 always plays #1 in the semis – in every bracket I’ve ever seen in any sport at any level. Good luck with your twisted logic and nonsense.
And to say NFA would’ve beaten MW much worse than 7-0 if not for poor field is woefully overstating it and probably misleading/inaccurate. All year long, NFA’s strength has been its D, not its offense! the week following the MW game, NFA got shutout 3-0 vs Kingston. Hardly was NFA’s offense overpowering at that point in the year at all! NFA scored 19 against Shen – solid offensive performance – but the key again was NFA’s excellent D holding Shen to 6pts. Care to retract your make believe comments about MW?
I meant Binghamton, not west genny (which I dont know much about except great lax and hockey programs).
Hoops
Snell and hughley!!
Now you back pedaling once you realize your selfish side got the best of your post!!! Like isaid before you hate to think of anyone being ahead of step!! But I guess you realize that you are about to go back too being reg!... Not a topic of conversation other then how much did Iona beat step by!!!... Who playing at wp on thanksgiving!...step did have a good 24 month run that’s to Xmas and 3 full term pregnancy, how long your vehicle registration last!! If you not sure what 24 months mean!!!
Lion,
If MW was not that good, along with W Gen, or Kingston, then NFA couldn’t be that great because Kingston actually beat NFA and MW lost only by a TD. Also, Binghampton couldn’t be that good since they lost to MW. If NFA is good, but not great, then Shen can’t be that good according to you since they lost by 2 TDs to NFA. Shen beat No Rock, so No Rock mustn’t be that good. According to your logic, at least 6 of the NYPHSAA QFinalists weren’t that good. We all know Orch Park and Rush Hen were very good. I’d add Pittsford since they split with Rush Hen. So only 3 very good teams in the NYPHSAA this year?
By the way, I know this is hypothetical, but I would’ve loved to see Step, Iona or Xaverian play Orch Park, Rush Hen or Pittsford. I think those would’ve been great games with lots of offense.
Lion,
Binghampton beat W Gen in state QFs, so I’m sure we can add W Gen (the Sect 3 champ) into your mix of ‘not that good’.
PPR,
Thanks Snell. You’re right, not sure why i was think Small.
I don’t understand more than half of what you write…and clearly neither do you. But where exactly did I backpedal. My first post about Step/Iona said you could clearly pick either way, though my choice (not a surprise!) would be that Step had the better overall season due to 1) advancing to AAA Final 2) finishing #2 in regular season 3) beating Xaverian and 4) beating Cham. Those are 4 pretty compelling reasons. I also clearly said Iona has 2 very compelling reasons of their own 1) head to head and 2) their close losses to St As.
Lion,
You referenced Iona finishing #1 last year. Where did Iona finish #1 last year? Not according to Josh or Kevin – they both had Step finishing #1. I think you are mistaken.
Also, you asked when is the last time Iona played a tough non-league opponent. Well, two years ago they played the #2 team in NJ. Last year, they played arguably one of the top 5 teams in NYS – Stepinac – not a bad choice of an opponent. This year, they played a Poly team with Bauta expected back that would’ve been one of the better AA teams in the area.
I know Kingston beat NFA, but NFA is in the finals so they’ve made there bones as best public school from this side of the bracket. Same way I give mucho credit for Step getting to finals despite reg seasons losses to IP and St A’s, and those loses were not that good.
It my opinion that MW is flawed this year,not talented, but they have good coaching that makes them compete well.
Step should be no. 1 locally. The only fair evaluation is they got to there league final, further than any other large school local team. NFA deserves the same respect, although they are not ranked by lohud. MW did not make playoffs, enough said.
Hoops,
See my early post on IP playing Bergen 2 years ago..
ppr –
what the hell does “wher” mean?
How many losses do Step and Iona have? I hope the JN is not going to suggest a #1 team with 3 or 4 losses. This would take us back to the days of IP being ranked #1 with a losing record and justifying it by their potential. Wins and losses count, potential means nothing without results. My hope would be that Josh can see beyond the CHS bias embraced by Kevin all those years.
As for #1 in NYS, that will go to the winner of the State Tournament, as it should. This will likely be Orchard Park.
Stepinac and Iona both represented the CHSFL very well. As for which should get ranked #1 it depends on what facts you want to give weight to. Iona did beat Step badly, but Step arguably had the better season and more importantly greatly improved defensively after the Iona loss.
Scary… There are four teams in our coverage area with fewer than two losses: Croton, Dobbs and Bronxville. Which one of those three do you believe is the No. 1 team in the area?
Josh, sorry for the typo’s earlier(auto fill-lol). Do you have game stats? You only gave qb stats.
10960, so 3 games in 11 days had no effect on section1???
Lion, I will post more comments about results of the nysswa but has MSG seen all games in the state ???? Nysswa have people throughout state. When they post their results they have consulted reporters who have seen their local teams. So they gather info from writers who combined have seen all games. I will take that over a computer any day. All chsfl fans get upset because they want all their teams in top 10!!! – lolol
Prince, excellent point!! step beats section1’s(overall) like 10th team in section (wp) now all of a sudden step is better than every section 1 team???lolol. They are out of their minds as usual!!!
Ps. you are the best, we all are second fiddle..
North rock #1 local team. They are only team with 2 wins against two top 20 teams. No other local team can make this claim. They won the section title – equivolent to chsflaaa title. Anything less will be un-civilized!!!
Scary
I meant to say you would have Lincoln and Saunders ranked ahead of Iona!!!
Ppr
they had the easier way to the title game because they had the 2 seed because they had the better regular season then anyone else other then st. Ants…..duuhhh…what’s your point. That’s what happens when you have the higher seed. You make no sense. And if iona played xaverian it would’ve been st. Ants and xaverian in the final bc xaverian would’ve beat iona again if they played. Nobody had stepinac beating xaverian, in fact some of the msg experts had xaverian winning the entire thing.
Now ppl are commenting that wplains is not good. If that’s the case then that means new ro is not good bc they struggled the entire game with w.plains. step won by4 scores!! Sect. 1 fans always want it both ways.
Im a step fan but I have alot of respect for the iona and new ro programs, they all do great jobs in their own respective ways. Very annoying when sect. 1 fans can’t give respect where respect is due. Step got bashed last yr. Bc of the schedule they played, this yr. They move up and make it to the title game in the aaa and still getting bashed??? I don’t get it? 9-3. Wins over mount, chaminade, holy cross 2x, xaverian, w.plains…
this blog is getting out of control.
step alum
xaverian was beating iona in round 2 i was at the iona vs xaverian game xaverian scored 3 td’s that most likely will not happen the same way in 20 yrs!! they blocked 2 punts! and the lineman took the qb rb exchange 98yds for a td!!!.. iona throw int. inside the 12yd line if my memory serves me correct thats 35 points that iona squander and i think they lost by 15 points!!.. it was one of the craziest games i have ever seen xaverian didn’t dominate iona with ther offense if i’m correct xaverian offense scored 2 t.d.’s that day!!! iona was in the redzone that game a total of 6-8 times and squandered it away!!... nobody in there right mind could have had xaverian winning the chip!!!..... they would have never beaten saint ants just like STEPINAC could not do it!!!........ “coaching”
ppl comment was wp was the #7 team in sec1 how can you judge the league weight on a team who can not get out of the 1st round of the playoff it does not make sense!!!
step
why ever team stepinac beat!... is a great win?????????....... you have 6 of your 8 wins as elite victories!!!!....... you can not be serious!!......
PPR,
People who watch football objectively (you clearly do not) at both the Post and MSG had Xaverian winning the whole thing. They came within 2pts of beating St As in the regular season, so clearly it was a possibilitiy.
Just,
I’m not sure if you’re even trying to be serious – probably not as usual – but to suggest No Rock’s wins over JJEF and New Ro were better wins than Step’s wins over Xaverian, Cham, Mount, HC 2x and WP is laughable.
PPR and Just,
I know you guys both attempt to appear intelligent. But when you call WP the #7 Sect 1 team…that must mean New Ro is #6 and I kind of doubt you think New Ro is #6. WP lost to #1 No Rock by 4pts and lost to #3 New Ro by 1pt. Cl South didn’t play No Rock or New Ro and lost by 18pts pts to JJEF in the other semi. WP definitely deserves #4, Cl South #5, Cl North #6, Arlington #7 (you could make an argument for Arlington at #5).
Ok ppr so with your logic that means that new ro sucked this year and their coaching is not good. You struggled with w.plains!!!!!!!!!!!! You are to inconsistent with your comments.
just
i have been watching chsfl football now for about 8-9 years!!... and looking at the quality of play!!... it’s no way the chsfl is the league that it once was!!... yes it have it share of athletes just like every other league but the quality of play is way down!!... this year saint ant’s team overall is not as fast and as athletic of teams in the past!!!... years back saint ant had somefast guys out ther at ther skill position on both sides of the ball!!... saint ants 08’ team that lost too iona would beaten this year team by 21points aswell as the saint ant team that mount took too the wire the year before!! this year step suppose to have 1 of ther most talented team in there program history and one of ther most talented teams could not hang with one of saint ants less then avg. team!!... that should tell you something about the quality of play in the chsfl!....step best is still not good enough to beat a less then avg. saint ant we are giving the chsfl wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy to much credit!!.. they play good football but great!!i dn’t know.. and it’s better then sec1! that is false!!.....
no!..one can tell me that step could beat jjef, new ro, north rockland 5 out 5 or 3 out 5 times!! i cn’t remember step offense and defense showing up to the same game against a quality team they say mount is quality!! i say mount has a good defense they struggled in that game!!..... iona, saint ants went to town on them (step)!!...so step is very beatable!! every time step played a good coach and good defense and step had a hard time!!... iona has also shown the ability to struggle especially when ther qb not sure if he came to play that day! but one thing you can say iona def. has showed up to every game!!.... new ro has struggled at times on offense and i think it was mostly b/c of them struggling with adjusting too the spread!! ther defense also has given them a chance too win every game!! like iona, north rockland offense was not dynamic but very effective!!.. the where able to run the ball on all of the top defensive in sec1 which is very good and it tells me that they could run the ball on step aswell north rock defense like new ro and iona showed up every game this season!!
my top 5
1) north rock!... this is westchester and sec1 football home!!... you win the chip you deserve!! to be #1
2) iona…...... they beat the chsfl runner up!!... period
3) new ro…........ 3 games in 11 days( not fair to anyone), losing to the sec1 champs!.. had ther chance (several) to win the game!..........
4) step…...... had a good season too many blow out loses, off and def has not performed at the time!!..
just…........ i never seen a top 3 team anywhere!!.... college, high school, pro, youth, with blowout (LOSES) on ther resume multiple!!!... only in WESTCHESTER COUNTY!!...
HOOPS
HOW MANY TEAMS CAME CLOSE WITHIN 14 POINTS OF BEATING SAINT ANTS?????????????????
...NOW TELL ME HOW MANY TEAMS BEAT THEM!!!... I DN’T UNDERSTAND YOU CHSFL!!... GUYS YOU WANT CREDIT FOR ALMOST!!... I DN’T GET IT!!.... 10 YRS FROM NOW YOU THINK ANYBODY GOING TO REMEMBER THE YEAR OF THE “ALMOST”!!!!!.......... LOL
HOOPs
i ALMOST went to catholic school!!.. should put that down on my job resume!!.. what the heck!!...
hoops if i live in the could’ve, would’ve, should’ve!!
all the STEP BLOGGERS and STEP BLOGGER FAN!!
.. live in the “ALMOST”!!!!!!!!
scary,
If you’re really attempting to judge football teams solely by their record, not taking into account of who they are playing, you know far less about football than I give you credit for. There is a huge difference in the competition level between the CHSFL, Sect 1 AA, Sect 1 B, Sect 1 C, etc. According to Massey, Iona played the #2 schedule in the state and Step #3. No Rock #38, JJEF #59 and New Ro #96.
HOOPS
SO HOOPS WHEN YOU PLAYED MOUNT CLOSE?... AND THEY WHER RANKED #? SO THAT SHOULD MAKE YOU RANKED #? ....
PPR,
First of all, you talk about the 3 games in 11 days in your comments about new Ro above. New Ro didn’t play 3 games in 11 days – get your facts right, they lost in the semis.
You ask when Step’s O and D played well on the same day – how about Thurs? I thought you said you were at the game? Step’s D did a better job against WP than New Ro’s did – thats a fact. Step’s D gave up less yards, less pts than New Ro did – any disagreements? Oh, and Step put up 31 offensive pts against WP vs 13 for New Ro. There is no comparison between Step and New Ro this year. You might be able to argue No Rock belongs in the same convo as Step and Iona, but no way Step or Iona loses to Cl North as No Rock did. And while No Rock beat WP by 4pts, Step beat WP by 24pts – big advantage to Step and Iona.
HOOPS
MOUNT #11 14-12 SHOULD YOU BE RANKED #10!!..... REMEMBER THIS IS YOUR HIGHLY EDUCATED LOGIC!!.. DN’T SPIN NOW!! PLEASE!!...
Prince, excellent points above!!!!
I can’t respond to people that don’t know football so I will ask you…
This is a serious question. Why do these guys feel we insult or talk down about their team because we objectively believe north rock is #1. We even supplied reasons. A normal fan or coach ..
would debate the question as to why step #1, not call it an insult to say otherwise.
Another question, is there another fan base as pompous as the step fans??
HOOPS
we played 2 of the 3 games!!.. so yes we qualify for the 3 games in 11 days!!
here are my words:
i cn’t remember step offense and defense showing up to the same game against a quality team !!... wp is #7 in sec1 …. no step defense did not wp had 7 turnovers!!.. hello!! and allowed a block punt inside the 20
News flash to all chsfl fans since you guys did not see either north roc or cnorth, cnorth was a very quality team before they lost a few players. They had everyone in the. First game. More news flash it was NR first game under new coach. So things happen. We do know N R would never give up 55 Pts to anyone!!
Just saying..
hoops
i will agree with you that step offense scores more points then new ro!!...
but new ro defense is better then step!! and ther no way step could put up 30 points on new ro defense!!... if you put up 17 on iona you putting up 14 on new ro!!
new ro 21
step 13
Coach lynch – coach of year!
Just a fact -10k November 26th, 2011 at 10:23 am
Coach lynch – coach of year!.... AGREE
IT MIGHT BE COACH O’D!!
JUST
“ALMOST” is the word of the day!!... “ALMOST” won the game, “ALMOST” won the chip, “ALMOST” made it look respectable in the 2nd game!!!
Prince, LOL.. I almost made a Million.. almost.
Since we are in the ALMOST WORLD, I almost made it to Harvard… I almost made it to the Pro’s.. I almost was frineds with PDiddy..
ALMOST!!!
Hoops fan November 26th, 2011 at 10:01 am
scary,
If you’re really attempting to judge football teams solely by their record, not taking into account of who they are playing, you know far less about football than I give you credit for. There is a huge difference in the competition level between the CHSFL, Sect 1 AA, Sect 1 B, Sect 1 C, etc. According to Massey, Iona played the #2 schedule in the state and Step #3. No Rock #38, JJEF #59 and New Ro #96.
QUESTION!!... DID STEP GO UNDEFEATED? .......... DID STEP WIN THE CHIP?.......... DID STEP GET BLOWNOUT?.................... SO WHO CARES WHAT THE SCHEDULE IS!!... IF YOU DIDN’T WIN YOU DIDN’T WIN!!.... STOP WANTING CREDIT FOR NOTHING!!!! UGH!!
PPR,
You’re just constantly dishonest. Mount was not the #11 CHSFL team. They finished #8 obviously. According to Freeman’s, Mount was the #16 AA team in all of NYS. Mount was #19 according to Massey. For the record, New Ro was #37 and #32, respectively.
Computer Rankings stink! Tuckahoe a Top 20 team last year according to massey!!
JUST
LOL!....
I ALMOST GOT A JOB!!... I ALMOST FELL, I ALMOST WAS BECAME DIDDY FOR HALLOWEEN, I ALMOST BECAME A STARTER IN HIGH SCHOOL, I ALMOST WENT TO SANDUSKY SCHOOL OF HARD KNOCKS!!....”AS DIDDY WOULD SAY!!!........IT’S ALL ABOUT THE “ALMOST”
Prince..
lololol
lololol
lololol!!!!
HOOPS
WHEN YOU POSTED WP BEING RANKED #7 AND NEW RO SHOULD BE RANKED#6 IN THE CHSFL RANKING THEY HAVE MOUNT #11 SO THAT SHOULD MAKE STEPINAC #10!!!.. ACCORDING TO HOOP RANKINGS!!.... DN’T SPIN IT NOW!!
I want to hear some Haywood’s ALMOSTS!!
JUST
I AGREE THE COMPUTER RANKINGS STINK!! WELL “ALMOST”... LOL
JUST
ME TOO!!.. HAY “ALMOST” WOOD….
Prince
Stepinac just spanked a section 1aa Quarterfinal team that lost to New Rochelle by a point and the section 1aa champ North Rockland by 4 points- Iona also beat Stepinac by 2 touchdowns so how can you explain to me that Stepinac and Iona would not be in the mix for Section 1 Titles-
logically speaking both the CHSFL local teams plus Mount St. Michael would have been in the mix for a championship-
If Stepinac and Iona played in section 1 honestly speaking where would you see both faring on a yearly basis-
PPR,
You are being completely dishonest. You know Mount finished #8 in the CHSFL. Why are you lying? WHy do you need to stoop to such a base level?
As far as ‘almost’...where do you read me EVER writing almost? Step didn’t almost beat WP by 24 pts, didn’t almost advance to the AAA Final, didn’t almost finish #2 in the regular season, didn’t almost beat Xaverian, didn’t almost beat Chaminade, didn’t almost beat Mount. Did they?
Iona Power, can you answer this, being seperate from this(Iona Fan) – but have to deal with it too:
“This is a serious question. Why do these guys feel we insult or talk down about their team(Stepinac) because we objectively believe north rock is #1. We even supplied reasons. A normal fan or coach .. would debate the question as to why step #1, not call it an insult to say otherwise.
Another question, is there another fan base as pompous as the step fans??”
IONA
first how can you put words in my mouth!!... then turn around and ask me what do i think about them if the played!!.....
hoops
step almost played saint ants tough!! and they almost played iona tough and that has too count for something!!...
according to your “ranking” dn’t change it now!!! 
ok!... if you say that mount finish #8 step won by 2pts…. step should be #7!!... still behind new ro at #6
Prince, Step ALMOST gave up 60 pts in a game!!!
Hoops fan November 26th, 2011 at 10:50 am
PPR,
You are being completely dishonest. You know Mount finished #8 in the CHSFL. Why are you lying? WHy do you need to stoop to such a base level?
As far as ‘almost’...where do you read me EVER writing almost? Step didn’t almost beat WP by 24 pts, didn’t almost advance to the AAA Final, didn’t almost finish #2 in the regular season, didn’t almost beat Xaverian 21-28 , didn’t almost beat Chaminade 20-28 , didn’t almost beat Mount 14-12. Did they? AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION!!.... YES, YOU “ALMOST” LOST!!!!
Just a fact – 10K November 26th, 2011 at 11:00 am
Prince, Step ALMOST gave up 60 pts in a game!!!
HAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!!! THAT WAS 2 FUNNY!!
JUST STEP “ALMOST” CAME BACK IN WON!!!
IonaPower November 26th, 2011 at 10:49 am
Prince
Stepinac just spanked a section 1aa Quarterfinal team that lost to New Rochelle by a point and the section 1aa champ North Rockland by 4 points- Iona also beat Stepinac by 2 touchdowns so how can you explain to me that Stepinac and Iona would not be in the mix for Section 1 Titles-
YOU WANT ME TOO EXPLAIN HOW!!!.... IONA PLAYED SAINT ANTS TO A 1 PT GAME AND 4 PT GAME!!...... AND THEY DIDN’T MAKE IT TO THE CHIP!!!.. THATS HOW!!!
JUST
THE PROBLEM WITH THE CHSFL FANS!!
THEY WANT US TO CONCEDE THE SEC1 CHIP TO THE CHSFL CHIP!!!....I’M NOT DOING THAT I WILL NEVER DO THAT!!... AND ANY BLOGGER THAT DOES THAT IS A ID I OT!!... CHFL DOES NOT EVEN RESPECT THE WESTCHESTER TEAMS WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THE CHSFL CHIP WAS PLAYED IN WESTCHESTER?????????????????
Prince, I will do some Step promoting. Check out the video. Real Fan on the money(as you already know –
) with his assessments. White dangerous running ball. And how Taps is a must throw to guy(which we stated last Spring). Big guys usually cant run deep routes and catch the ball. Excellent stuff. But the otehr thing that sticks out, HC does not look impressive at all. I saw DB’s standing around. And the D-line not getting off except for #55 for HC – looked like a bull. Right D-end could have been taken advantage of.
http://www.msgvarsity.com/westchester/stepinac-advances-in-chsfl-playoffs-1.791782
PS. New Ro and North Rock definitely would hold Step O! You can see the speed of everyone right here. The eye in the sky don’t lie!!!!
PSS. Step won game against HC 28-13; Farrel beat HC by almost same score 20-13 and Farrell was 4-6 in the league – If we are going to look at scores, let’s look at ALL scores.
Wow, can’t believe the player let Taps go right by him on the punt block. Taps only real threat on that play. And the screen to Narog in empty set with him lone WR was not good. CB drops back as Narog goes behind los. Perfect play call since LB to weak side blitzes taking himself out of play. Safety miss tackle and Narog off to races. Memories of Troy vs Rush. You get a big play(WP INT for TD) you can’t turn around and give it right back. The punt block and that play, to me was the game right there.
High
lights!!
http://www.msgvarsity.com/westchester/ossining/stepinac-trots-by-white-plains-on-turkey-day-1.818580
Taps TD in Second half, DB (will leave out which player) should have took his head off. QB lead him out to dry(and looked at him the whole way). Where is the guys sticking him going??
PPR what do you teach here??
Just
The worse weather of the year was during the 3 games 11 days schedule!!! That’s crazy!! I can not believe!!!! Great day for football!!! And it’s December
Prince, excellent point about horrible weather. I challenge any bloggers to go ask a player what they feel like after 3 games in 11 days. When you suit up 6 days later to play in State Tourny game in the freezing cold, at night usually. I bet you dont feel the same!!!
Prince, remember SNOW in October!!!!!!
And not just snow, slush, so even with gloves your hands were going to freeze. Then you have the rain to boot. Sick stuff.
Just
I tell them to shrink the field!!!!.....
Hoops not looking at all scores only the ones they almost won!!!.:) just when the sec1 teams play each other tough!! The league is very bad!! But when the chsfl play each other tough ther claim is b/c the league is tough!!!..... B/s to all who say that!!!! Just when step empty the backfield with hoffer you have to get aggressive!! Especially the wr to the side by himself!! When narog step back the corner should have known to come up asap!!! Bad coaching “by wp” god call by step!!! Just I teach the safety if the wr is running back to the huddle you gave up a touchdown!! B/c you can believe he will try and make that catch again!!! If he walking to the side with help!!! Or without help!! That is not getting completed again for the rest of the day!!:)
PPR
Seriously, you are wasting your time and talent on this football blog. You should be working for a stock trader as one of those guys that goes on stock forums 24/7 and pumps up the value of a company and then dumps it for a hefty profit. You are the best “pumper” I have ever seen. Forget New Rochelle football and find some start-up pharmaceutical company. You can make a fortune.
Prince, I agree, if you are blitzing lb corner has to be up .. But regardless when we 1st step backwards you need to come up strong !!!
Hoopsfan
Funny, I don’t recall writing that win loss was the only thing that mattered, but if you say so, I must have because you are really smart.
Josh, I do not recall writing that a team needs to have fewer than 2 losses, although that is what you twist my statement to be. The quote is below:
How many losses do Step and Iona have? I hope the JN is not going to suggest a #1 team with 3 or 4 losses. This would take us back to the days of IP being ranked #1 with a losing record and justifying it by their potential. Wins and losses count, potential means nothing without results. My hope would be that Josh can see beyond the CHS bias embraced by Kevin all those years.
Followed by your response:
Scary… There are four teams in our coverage area with fewer than two losses: Croton, Dobbs and Bronxville. Which one of those three do you believe is the No. 1 team in the area?
Kind of an illogical response, wouldn’t you say? Anyway, No Rockland is the clear #1.
Boisie State plays a less celebrated schedule than SEC teams with 3 and 4 losses, but you don’t see those teams ranked higher than Boisie, do you? Again, potential means little if you don’t win on the field.
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THANKS BUT NOT THANKS!!!..... I WOULD MISS YOU GUYS!!!
JUST
I TOTALLY AGREE!!... YOU HAVE TOO REACT TO THE WR!! ESPECIALLY NAROG!!! HE TOO GOOD TO GIVE THAT MUCH SPACE!!! ON THE 3RD AND 7 BAD BUSINESS!!
scaryNovember 26th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Josh, I do not recall writing that a team needs to have fewer than 2 losses, although that is what you twist my statement to be. The quote is below:
How many losses do Step and Iona have? I hope the JN is not going to suggest a #1 team with 3 or 4 losses. This would take us back to the days of IP being ranked #1 with a losing record and justifying it by their potential. Wins and losses count, potential means nothing without results. My hope would be that Josh can see beyond the CHS bias embraced by Kevin all those years.
Followed by your response:
Scary… There are four teams in our coverage area with fewer than two losses: Croton, Dobbs and Bronxville. Which one of those three do you believe is the No. 1 team in the area?
Kind of an illogical response, wouldn’t you say? Anyway, No Rockland is the clear #1.
Boisie State plays a less celebrated schedule than SEC teams with 3 and 4 losses, but you don’t see those teams ranked higher than Boisie, do you? Again, potential means little if you don’t win on the field.
I AGREE WITH YOU!!... NOT SURE WHAT JOSH POINT WAS OR IF HE WAS ACTUALLY GIVEN A POINT!!!
“Scary” said a team shouldn’t be No. 1 if it has three losses because that is too many. He/she then picks North Rockland as the clear No. 1 with a 9-2 record.
I actually agree with the point about Boise State, generally speaking. A 5-5 team shouldn’t be ranked higher than a 12-0 team, even if you believe the 5-5 team would win head-to-head. But there are only three teams in the coverage area that have vastly superior records to the teams in question: Croton, Bronxville and Dobbs. Every other team is a half-game better (at best) than Stepinac and two games better than Iona. This is not a case of one of them potentially leaping, say, ‘04 Nyack.
Maine-Endwell beat Burnt-Hills 27-20. Being down 20-7 at halftime. Maine-Endwell ralllied back 20 pts to win and go undefeated as Class A Champs
Husky, to show how close this game was here is a play by play type blow!!
http://blog.timesunion.com/sidelines/2011/11/24/live-chat-from-class-a-football-title-game-begins-at-130/
Thats good stuff, close game i wish i wouldve gone and seen the game. Next year, Prince and I are going back to Syracuse. Its a fun experience to travel and play schools from other Sections. This is not the CHSFL where you play the same teams in the playoffs from the regular season.
Congrats to Step on their season and the game Thursday. They did a great job taking advantage of WP’s turnovers. I also want to wish the Seniors from both teams good luck. Not sure you can say Step dominated WP. I know the score but WP averaged about 5 to 6 yards a clip running at Steps defense. Evans had a great game and was hard to stop as was Scotman for WP. Great athletes on both teams. Not only great athletes but great kids. Another note when you have one of the fastest athletes in Section 1 its not a secret and most teams do a pretty good job watching film and schemeing on how to contain that athlete. Some do better than others but the elite teams are elite because they do a great job at preparing their team.
Scary,
I don’t recall Josh or Kevin ever using the word ‘potential’ much. I do recall ‘Strength of Schedule’ being used a lot – in other words when you’re looking at a record, you have to take into account who the teams are playing. According to Freeman’s, Iona had the #2 Strength of Schedule is all of NYS, Stepinac was #3. As I posted before, No Rock’s schedule was #39, JJEF’s #59 and New Ro’s #96.
Your logic seems to be (correct me if I’m wrong) that to be the #1 team, a squad is allowed 2 losses, but 3 or 4 losses is strictly forbidden. That doesn’t make much sense to me and seems highly arbitrary. It seems you are only focused on a team’s Record and seem to have little use for Strength of Schedule – on the bright side, I think this qualifies you for a job voting with the NYS Sportswriters poll!
Just,
Thanks for posting the Maine-Endwell/Burnt Hills highlights – looks like good teams.
PPR and Just,
You two did a wonderful job picking apart and critiquing WP’s D and coaching in the Step game. Now, I’d like to request you guys critique and pick apart New Ro’s D in the WP game – remember that is the game where New Ro gave up 182 yds passing and 2 TDs to this WP team.
Fanatic,
You make a great point about everyone being aware of Everett and gameplanning to stop him. I think some would argue there are ways to get the ball in his hands more often, but I agree with you that most good teams are definitely game-planning to stop him. I don’t know about your suggestion that WP was getting 5-6yds a clip before TOs, definitely not in the 2nd half – we’d have to look at the stats.
I dont know why we always have this debate,Iona,Stepinac,better than Section One.Well of corse they will have better teams.They recruit kids from all over.Same with ST.Ants,Chamanade,Bosco,Bergen,St.Joes.If White Plains,Mt.Vernon,New Ro,combinded.How good would they be.Osining ,Sleepy,Croton do they same how good would they b.You cant argue with teams that recruit.Look how Domaniat OUR LADY OF LOURDES AND UREISLINE girls basketball where,because they recruit.So stop saying who is better and who is not.GO CROTON,AND DOBBS.
Hoops
I can and will break down new Ro defense!!!... For you!!
Also I think strength of schedule is b/s!! For one reason only!!! .... Teams are only playing the schedule that’s given!!! They cnt select who they want to play!!! If teams built there schedule!! I agree 100% that you would to put that into consideration!!! That’s like holding a child responsible for who ther parents are!!! You just cnt, if u are you being unfair or bias!!!
HOOPS
YOU SAY THAT CHSFL IS BETTER THEN SEC1 I CN’T SEE IT!!... YOU HAVE CLAIMED HOLY CROSS AS A GOOD WIN FOR STEP!! LOOKING AT THE CLIPS!!... HOLY CROSS WAS VERY BAD!!...
YOU STRUGGLED 3-1/2 QTRS WITH A SEC1 1ST ROUND PLAYOFF EXIT TEAM!!.... HOLY CROSS WAS A FIRST ROUND TEAM IN THE CHSFL!!.. YOU WHER WINNING 28-0 2:36 STILL LEFT IN THE 2ND QTR. IT’S AMAZING THAT JOSH WOULD SAY THAT CHSFL FOOTBALL IS MUCH BETTER THEN SEC1…......... HEY!!.. JOSH YOU INSULTING SEC1!!... KEEP THAT ON TAP!!... SMH
http://www.msgvarsity.com/westchester/stepinac-advances-in-chsfl-playoffs-1.791782
Hoops, the question I have, who determines the strength of schedule for massey? How does the computer decide(mathematical equation)?? What human participation if any comes into play? If there is a human component, is their bias???
I really want this question answered!!!
I do agree strength of schedule should come into play that is why any team in Class A and AA this year, should be ranked very high. It is laughable that North Rock schedule so low. A complete an utter joke by the COMPUTERS!!!
Here is North Rock reg season and then additional:
c-north,
at
White
Plains,
at
Suffern,
Arlington,
mv,
jjef,
at
Yorktown
playoffs: Scars, New Ro, JJEF & Shen
Name another schedule tougher!!!!!!
Oh boy here comes every CHSFL schedule in the books!! lolololololol!!!
PPR,
For you to say Strength of Schedule shouldn’t matter when ranking HS teams, that just personifies your hypocrisy and lack of serious thought about Step/New Ro/etc. If New Ro were to go undefeated through Sect 1 AA (in a weak year) and perform well in the state playoffs against top teams, then someone can make an argument that you can’t hold a weak schedule against New Ro. However, a weak schedule with two losses?
If you want to be taken seriously, I’d love to hear your excuses as to why Step beat WP by 24pts and New Ro only beat WP by 1pt?
PPR and Just,
You can put down Holy Cross all you want. HC was approximately the 7th,8th or 8th,9thtoughest games of the year for Step (after St As twice, Xaverian, Iona, Chaminade, Mount and maybe WP). If Holy Cross had been on New Ro’s schedule, they would’ve been the 3rd or 4th toughest game of the year after No Rock, JJEF and maybe WP. Holy Cross and WP were similar as teams in terms of a solid QB (Gavalas was better though), athletic RBs and WRs. The main difference is Holy Cross was playing a bunch of sophs this year, where WP was mostly Srs. And Holy Cross’ D hit hard – from what I say of them on D they knew how to tackle and were laying on some hits.
Just,
You can’t completely judge a HS football team based on a handful of highlights of the opposing teams offense – I think you know this. Obviously in highlights, one team generally is making a play and often the other team has missed a play. I know watching highlights is a huge part of your football knowledge these days, but there is a HUGE difference between watching highlights of a few big plays and watching a full game. Almost any D on the HS level is going to have some blown coverages and CBs can make some mistakes. But if you want to judge a D, you have to watch much more than a few highlights. You and PPR are watching highlights, then acting as if a blown coverage is a complete indictment of a team’s D. I’d venture to say in the WP/New Ro game there were several mistakes by New Ro’s D when WP was throwing for 182 yards. And in the New Ro/No Rock game, when Bovino was throwing for another 180+yds (this is coming from a non-throwing No Rock team!!!) there were probably some mistakes made by New Ro’s D. Any disagreements?
Josh
No Rockland lost 2 games and won the Section 1 Championship.
Which championship did Stepinac or Iona win?
Therefore, what is being suggested is a #1 ranked team that had 3 losses (2 of which were blowouts), that was not crowned as winner of ….anything.
That is where the word potential comes in, Hoopsfan.The team “could have, would have, or should have” beaten whomever, but did not.
So, Hoopsfan, what Stepinac accomplished was that they were good and competitive in their league most weeks of the season. This is hardly the case for a #1 ranked team.
Just,
I have a comment directed to you about SOS that is ‘awaiting moderation’ that attempts to illuminate more on the SOS discussion.
As Sect 1 fans, we all like to think of our local teams as superior to the rest of the state. But when you look at the facts in the last 12-14 years, it just isn’t backed up. In the 70’s, 80’s, early-mid ‘90s when Roosevelt and WP were top notch every year then I think we could’ve made a strong argument that Sect 1 was possibly one of the best in the state, but since Roos fell off the AA map and WP hasn’t had state-elite caliber teams in awhile – it is hard to make that argument. As you know, Sect 1 has only won one state title in the last 15 years. Along with one title for Sect 9, one title for Sect 2. This clearly shows that Sect 1, Sect 2 and Sect 9 have the easier road to the state final, yet aren’t winning that much. Someone posted the data before, but in the past 15 years, Sect 5 and 6 had won something like 5 titles each, 3 titles for Sect 3. So CLEARLY, even with a more difficult road to the state Final, Sects 5,6,3 are dominating the state titles. Look at this year, Pittsford Mend Suth likely was the #3 NYPHSAA team, but they only advanced to the Sect 5 Final, losing by a TD to Rush, who lost to Orch Park in the state QFs. In other words, two of the 3 top NYPHSAA couldn’t advance past QFs. It remains to be seen how NFA does today to represent the southern part of the NYPHSAA, but considering No Rock lost to Shen and Shen lost by 2tds to NFA – its fair to say none of this helped Sect 1’s SOS ratings when they didn’t do anything out of the section. Had No Rock beaten Shen and beaten NFA, it would’ve helped all the Sect 1 teams that played close games in terms of SOS.
Can anyone tell me if hoops answered my Massey question? Fell asleep trying to read his drivel.
scary,
The purpose of the Top 10 ranking…and really any other Top 10 ranking I’ve EVER SEEN in any sport, league or format is to judge the Top 10 teams overall. Not the teams in relation to their own league. The college football Top 10 doesn’t rank the 10 teams that most dominate their respective leagues – does it? If that was the case, the top 3 teams in the country this week wouldn’t have been from the same division of the same conference.
Your opinion is simple – you care only what a team does in relation to his own league championship, clearly you don’t particularly care about the strength of their respective league. Correct? If thats the way you think, Croton dominated Class B far more than No Rock dominated AA, so Croton should be #1 overall. Pok also dominated A far more than No Rock dominated AA – if they were in the coverage area, they should be above No Rock too according to your strange criteria. Right?
If you are going to weigh the relative strength of AA vs A vs B vs C vs D, then of course you should weigh the relative strength of CHSFL vs AA vs Fairchester, etc. If you don’t want to weigh the relative strength of the CHSFL vs AA, then you can’t weight the relative strength of AA vs A vs B vs C without being a hypocrite. There isn’t a reasonable or knowledgable football fan in NYS (and I can only think of one overall – PPR) who doesn’t think the CHSFL has better competition/better teams than Sect 1 AA. And I agree this is a ridiculous constant conversation. I don’t think any CHSFL fan should beat their chest that the CHSFL is better than Sect 1 AA. It gives me no pleasure to say the CHSFL is better than Sect 1 – that is the way it has been for a long time and probably the way it should be since the CHSFL covers a larger area. But when “fans” like PPR constantly write nonsense about the CHSFL and its teams, its expected that CHSFL fans will respond and a ridiculous debate ensues.
To read further into your logic, reality points out that St Anthony’s is by FAR the most consistent dominant football program in NYS and finish the year ranked #1 statewide more years than not. According to your thinking, Step or Iona must beat St Anthony’s (#1 team in the state) in order to be considered for #1 locally. If Step or Iona beat the #1 team in the state in the CHSFL Final, they’d likely have a pretty good claim to be #1 or #2 overall in the state. So the reality of what you’re saying, is that Step or Iona must finish the year #1 or #2 overall in the state to be considered above a No Rock team that is probably around #15-20 this year? That doesn’t make much sense at all.
Hoops, don?t hate because I can break down game film and you can?t.
Why don?t you tell us what I stated that you object to? I will say this, if someone can?t get a feel for a game after watching over 4 minutes of game film it only tells me you never played before!
Ps.. what do colleges use to get a feel for a player ? I will help you..
H _ gh li _ _ t film!!
Pss.. Holy cross couldn?t beat cnorth!!
or Maho/Scarsdale/ Ramapo
Maybe not even suffern!!!
How can anyone look at North Rock schedule and deem it #39??? – LOL
Josh
Do you know when you will post your final football rankings?
Hoops, New Ro – North Rock game, from what I remember New Ro was always in position on D they just missed a lot of tackles.
Just,
Relax yourself. Nothing I said was trying to contradict your magical ‘breakdown’ of a highlight reel. Congratulations, your breakdown was breathtaking! Would you like a cigar or something?
My point was clear to anyone who can read that watching HIGHLIGHTS only and not watching an entire game film can be misleading. Do you disagree? A defense might play relatively well all game with a handful of blown assignments or bad plays. That doesn’t mean the team is poor or the coaching is bad. Even good players on the HS level play miss plays and blow assignments occasionally. My point was clear that I was waiting for you to break down New Ro’s D against WP and against No Rock. I believe New Ro’s D gave up over 180yds passing in both games…and as you know No Rock is not a passing team (was that No Rock’s all-time high in passing yards since Jeff Becker?) My assertion is clearly that New Ro’s D had their share of missed plays, block assignments and bad plays against WP and No Rock – that doesn’t mean New Ro’s D is poor or poorly coached. I think New Ro is very well coached, but they have bad plays like any other D and a highlight video will only exascerbate the bad plays.
HOOPS
IF YOU BEATEN A TEAM 28-0 AT HALF!!.... THEN EVERY TEAM NEW RO WAS BEATEN 28-0 THE SAME RULE SHOULD APPLY!!... I KEEP TELLING YOU WHEN IT COMES TOO THE CHSFL IT’S ALWAYS A EXCEPTION WITH THEM!! 28-0 AT HALF IS 28-0 AT HALF!! IN THE UNITED STATES!!
Hoops, I know you will hit me with a bomb but I have to step out. I will give you this, maybe you can break down film from highlight but have not seen you do so. But please stop trying to mess with what these two eyes see. Debate the material provided.
Thank you.
*IF YOU ARE BEATEN A TEAM 28-0 AT HALF AND YOU CALLING THAT A TOUGH GAME!!... THEN EVERY TEAM NEW RO WAS BEATEN 28-0 AT HALF THE SAME RULE SHOULD APPLY (they wher tough game)!!
JUST
WHAT YOU THINK HOOPS IS BREAKING DOWN!!.. HAVE SEEN, NORTH ROCK PLAY?, JJEF, CLJ NORTH, ARLINGTON!!!.... NO HE HAS NOT!! ... HE IS DEBATING VIDEO CLIPS!!
JUST
JUST LIKE THE REST OF US!!!!!!
38-14 vs 14-13.. thats all that needs to be said
HOOPS
I will give you a break down on the north rock and wp game!!.... just too show you how some of the schedule rankings are twisted!!... new ro had #2 or 3 defense in the state (which is very true) but ther playing the #96 schedule!! in state i think thats not true!!!!
10605
we held them too 13 points you held them to 14 points enough said!!
hoops
it was obvious!! that avery played his worst game of the year thursday!! i believe he would have put up similar numbers on step defense!! he had guys open he just threw bad passes!!..... wp is bad!... strictly b/c of coaches i believe with that talent at iona or step they would win the chsfl chip!!
hoops
i’m surprised that avery had only 23 yards rushing i thought he had more then that!!!
hoops
you said:
holy Cross and WP were similar as teams in terms of a solid QB (Gavalas was better though), athletic RBs and WRs.
why do you think gavalas is better???....
PPR,
I only saw Avery once and saw Gavalas twice – I’ll say that to start. From what I saw (against the same D), Gavalas 1) threw a very nice football – tight spirals, lead his receivers well, nice velocity, good arm strength. Gavalas also had a very nice feel for the game…even when HC was down, Gavalas seemed in control and was not rattled. Now, I think Avery was good too – nice velocity on his throws, clearly a strong arm. I just thought Gavalas was better, no knock on Avery whatsoever, very nice player. I didn’t see Holy Trinity, but outside of Kearney at Xaverian (who was obviously more of a runner), Gavalas was probably the best QB I saw all year. Brown from Mount was more of a runner. Kellenberg’s QB was tough as nails, but not as big of an arm as Avery or Gavalas. Cham’s QB was solid too – only a Jr – but I thought Avery and Gavalas threw a better ball. Hoffer threw the ball right up there as well or better than Gavalas and Avery.
PPR and Just,
As far as Holy Cross, there is a huge difference between Holy Cross and a team that New Ro was beating 28-0 at the half. 1) Holy Cross beat a Top 10 team in NYS, Xaverian. 2) Holy Cross actually led St As in the 4th qtr. A loss is a loss – yes, but clearly if a team is leading the #1 team in the state late in the game, that team is good. Holy Cross was a young team this year definitely and they clearly had their ups and downs – I’m not saying they were outstanding. But based on their W’s and L’s, they were good. Massey and Freeman’s had Holy Cross ranked right around where New Ro was ranked.
Separately, looking ahead to next year, I can see Stepinac’s team next year being a lot like HOly Cross this year. They’ll have a talented Sr Qb returning who split time as a Jr. They’ll have to be playing a lot of sophs and jrs at the skill positions because they graduate a lot at RB/WR/TE.
hoops, Cuban and PN.. thank you very much!!!
Prince, sometimes Hoops doesn’t even see the video clip, just gives his opinion. I truly don’t have a problem with that except he wants to pour hot wax on anyone else who does the same thing.
Just,
You have great taste in cigars…we only need to work on some of your appreciation for a few local HS football teams!
Hoops, how about losses?? HC lost to Farrell. That is not good. We can’t just give snap shots of teams successes. I really don’t want to have this debate because I agree it is tiring. When Josh puts out his rankings and all other rankings finalized, let the games begin.
But you can’t honestly watch that HC game vs Step and say they(HC) were good. And Farrell almost beat HC by the same amount. If we are going to look at every game and every score, lets. And Josh should count against Step the 55 pt loss. I don’t think New Ro, North Rock or JJEF get beat that bad. They might not win (maybe they do
) but 55pts???
just
can i have some!!
just
i think HOOPS, AND JOSH!!... takes only the highs from the chsfl!!.... never the low’s
JUST
i have too agree!... hoops just goes off the top of his head!
just
hoops keep asking that you explain wp and north passing the ball on new ro everytime is i say to him i will he never responds!!...
PPR “Greatest Blogger in the World”,
Of course!!!
Drinking alone for any CHSFL fan that can’t admit North Rock deserves the #1 spot!
Prince, please explain to the Football fans in the blogosphere, how WP and North Rock passed on New Ro?
just
JUST FACTS….. “greatest blogger in the universe”
anyone that think step is #2 or #3 is crazy aswell!!... step fans and josh!!.. keeping saying but the played for the chsfl chip!!.... that does not mean that they are worthy of #1,2 or 3 in westchester!!.... IT’S A FACT THAT THE BEST TEAMS DOES NOT ALWAYS PLAY FOR THE CHIP (it has happened in flag, youth, middle school, high school, college, and the pro’s AND THE CHSFL 2011)!!!.. IONA VS SAINT ANTS BOTH GAMES WHER BETTER THEN THE CHIP!!..... THE CHSFL CHIP WAS REALLY A PLAYOFF GAME MORE THEN A CHIP!!.. B/C THE 2 BEST TEAMS DIDN’T PLAY IN THE CHIP!!
PPR, I will say this for the blog consumption. When PPR says it, it usually is!!
You bring up a great point. Should year end Rankings be based on who can beat who today or who accomplished more during the year? When I look at North Rock, on a given day, I would say Step, Iona, JJEF, & New Ro could all beat North Rock. That is any given day. But North Rock can beat any of these teams mentioned I believe. Not because their offense is great, but because of a simple point you have brought to light from the beginning of the season, DEFENSE!!! Coach Lynch is known as a Defensive genious. He had to Coach with Casarella in mind in the past. He no longer has to. And they had some serious players this year. So if we went off who can beat who today, why does Step and Iona automatically get the nod over them? Because one game WP-Step?? Makes absolutely no sense to me.
Now if we go by who has done more on the field – North Rock wins this one easily. Beat two top 20 Teams. Only lost to #5 team in State. Won their League. What else do they need to do to get what they earned???
JUST
north rock from what i can remember, out side the faded route (40 yds pass) that the db played the ball wrong “actually jumping to early”.... something i thought if he just continued to run he would have played better! out side that everything was short 4 yard passes that result in 10-15 yd gains b/c poor tackling ( field conditions, slipping and sliding) another play not sure what defense they wher had north with 2wr to the wide side of the field with the S.S. and the olb flanking the outside shoulder of the right tackle, which put the c.b. on a island with to reciever the qb throws a quick pass he basically breaks the tackle of the c.b. and walks in the endzone for 20 yds!!.. the final play that i seen and again not sure what defense they wher north rock play action pass!! wr comes in motion seals the d.e. or olb te runs down the field corner route i believe and the north rock would send the fb through the line into the flat and ther was nobody there!! olb was getting sealed the te was attacking th cb and the fb would run into that open space every 3rd and long it seem like!! outside the faded and the bubble screen or quick pass every pass play was the playaction roll right! basically the 5yd pass plays where resulting to 10-15 yds passes b/c of missed tackle due to slipping and slidding!!
just
didn’t jjef beat new ro when they wher #3-5 in the state and clk north and arlington when they wher ranked!!.....
just
step look like the best team!!.. right now b/c there fresh in everyone head!!.... they just played
no body remember the new ro vs north rock game or the jjef and north rock game to much time has passed!!
yesterday!!
just this is what i hate about stats not be recorded!!.. alot of the time you just see leading rusher and passer stats if that you rarely see team stats 3rd down conversion!! never!... its truly sad!! makes no sense!
just
i have personally talk to people who are very “involved” in the chsfl and in there own words!!!..” the chsfl is not as strong it use to be” ...... not the same quality of play!!....... i agree!!
Prince, nice update. That is what we have been saying in previous years, why teams couldn’t complete the short passing game. Made no sense when you look at all the time spent on practicing the passing game. So you have to give kudo’s to North Rock for that. Smart coaching also keeping an extra blocker to seal the end.
I agree!!! We need STATS. What is so hard to have a Student tracking the STATS and putting them into maxpreps?
Excellent point as well. North Rock New Ro and JJEF all did their best work several weeks ago. Step fresh in everyone’s mind.
Here is a question. Do you think conditioning played a part in WP fading in the second half for the second year in a row? Usually a good sign when a team doesn’t finish strong. Turn-overs might be skewing this though. If conditioning, then your point about New Ro going to the hurry up, would kill a poor conditioned team come 4th quarter.
Sick tweet:
Pathetic. Wow. RT @nysswa: U of Akron told Stepinac grad he was fired as football coach as he traveled to mother’s funeral.
That just ain’t right.
JUST
i totally agree that poor conditioned team result in alot of turn overs!!.... and mental mistakes increases!!... fact!!
just
they fired the step guy that was bringing in the new york players????????????????
just
here it is!!........... smh!!!
Stay classy, Akron: University of Akron football coach Rob Ianello was informed by the Ohio school’s AD he was fired while he was in the car, driving to New York with his family for his mother’s funeral, according to multiple reports this weekend.
That doesn’t qualify as a new low in college athletics, but it certainly earns a spot on the honorable mention list. Why Akron, a school that once hired a barely warmed-over Gerry Faust, couldn’t wait a few days is beyond me.
With four winning seasons since 2000, it’s not as though people are going to be beating down the door to accept a job offer at the MAC school. The fact that Ianello, who went 2-22, was only given two seasons also isn’t going to help lure top talent.
Ianello took the Akron job after five seasons as the wide receivers coach at Notre Dame. The reason I mention him here is that Ianello is a 1983 Archbishop Stepinac graduate. The Akron staff made some inroads in recruiting New York talent, and was typically among the first to make offers to two- and three-star talent around New York.
Thats revolting as far as firing a guy heading to his mother’s funeral. Also bad for NY players because Akron was recruiting and offering to a number of NY players.
just
the short passing game is nice!!.. and i must say tht north rock did pretty much the same thing that jjef did to new ro!!... i thnk what surprise me the most!!.... new ro had no answer for it!!!
white plains….. was a lil different!!.. the wp game, white plains might have thrown for 100 of the 179 yds!!!.... in the last 3 minute!!...... of game!!... they had a nice playaction pass out the wishbone!! to the te for about 25 yds he step out of bounds!.. not sure what defense they wher in but i would suggest the coverage was blown!! on 3rd down and long i believe!... they threw another pass out in the flat to rb he broke a tackle and ran for another 20 yds!! it was good coverage just a missed tackle!! and ther was was another blown coverage after the qb cross the line of scrimmage but ther was a penalty for blocking down field and the qb crossing the line of scrimmage (25-30 yds passing play) and the wr was stripped new ro ecline the penalty and keep the result of the play!!.. so i’m not sure if that was recorded as passing yards!!... “it was a illegal passing play”
PPR,
I finally read your synopsis of New Ro’s D against No Rock. Still waiting for your synopsis of New Ro’s D against WP.
Judging by your comments about New Ro’s D vs No Rock, we can deduct that New Ro’s D and players missed several plays, made several mistakes that you highlighted above. Keep in mind, this was all against a No Rock team that didn’t pass that well against any other team all year – they are not a passing team and their passing game was pretty simple by all accounts. Now, does this mean New Ro is not a good defensive team – absolutely not? It means the D made mistakes. That happens on the HS level.
Just,
If someone only watched the highlights of No Rock passing all over New Ro, they could deduct New Ro was not a very good defensive team. They’d be wrong. If they watched the whole No Rock/New Ro game, they’d realize more that New Ro was a good defensive team that made some mistakes like almost every HS team I’ve watched. Another example is the Orch Park/Rush Hen game. I only watched the highlights, but if someone were to critically look at only the highlights of that game, you could make an argument that both teams were very mediocre on D – there were plenty of missed assignments, bad positioning, etc. I’m sure both teams made plenty of great plays on D and are probably pretty solid defensive teams overall…but offensive highlights will make them both look worse than they are.
Hoops, get the highlights of New Ro – North Roc and let’s see. I bet you will see a lot of miss tackles.
hoops
was the firing b/c of 2 wins or 22 loses, or b/c he went to the funeral?...
i agree that it will destroy the new york players!!.. hoops!!.. do you think!! goodman will have a problem???... i heard weston was going to go but something happened!!...
If you guys are interested: NFA-OP 2nd half
http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/high-schools/live/
PPR,
According to Massey’s, New Ro definitely does have one of the better D’s – #13 overall, and better if you only look at AA schools. NFA is #2 (looks very justified), St As is #4, Orch Park is #7, Shen is #8, Xaverian is #11, MW is #15, No Rock #17. Maine-Endwell, Aquinas, Amsterdam and Garden City are ranked highly from A. I think you might be able to make an argument that New Ro’s D benefits from playing in a league without any serious passing teams (of late). New Ro has struggled vs the pass in recent years, but fortunately for them No Rock and JJEF are not passing teams generally. WP just seems to be making the transition to the spread – though has had success passing the ball against New Ro the last two seasons.
hoops
i said that new vs north ther was alot of miss tackled!!.. and i said that i’m not sure what defense they wher in!!.. keep in mind!!! new ro was defending north rock run game!!.. it was not that north rock!! ran anything complicated they ran a high percentage play versus the defense they was running which IMO!!... was a run stopping scheme!!.. but i can assure you that new ro would not be playing that same defense versus a spread offense! thats common sense! also keep in mind that north rock passing plays was not a direct result b/c the lack of new ro talent or ability!... ” and also i would like too say!!.. and always will say this the field played a “major” part in the outcome of the game!!!
hoops
i have posted new ro stats on scores allowed over a 7 year!!! new ro has given up 30+ points!!...... only 2x in 7yrs and 3 touchdown in a game 6x over 7yrs!!!......i think the facts!!.. tells us that spread no spread new ro will defend you better then 99% of the teams in the state!!.. year in year out!!
just
i good game nfa vs orchard park!! it’s going to be 20-0
PPR, game over! 21-0 in the 4th only a miracle at this point. JMoose will not be happy.
Funny thing some guys talking about how archaic NFA offense is. Ye Ole Wing T being criticized again!!! – lolol
just
..^.(*** ****! **) X November 20th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
just
i think dominate was in regards too NFA defense vs shen highly touted offense!!.. NFA offense is good but i think ther defense is a lil better!! N.F.A. dominated the line of scrimmage!! i dn’t think they dominated the game!!... i also agree that shen is well coached and a lil undersized!! i keep saying you cn’t get too the chip JUST RUNNING with no real passing game!!. teams in the semi finals will be prepared especially in class aa and a to defend and stop the run!! i think you need defense and a passing game to get to the chip and win it!! NFA will have to pass in order to keep up with orchard park!! if NFA cn’t pass they will have problems!!!
just
didn’t i say that!!
..^.(*** ****! **) X November 21st, 2011 at 10:34 pm
jmoose
o/park has a very good offense they have the ability to put up 35 points!! dn’t be surprise if they do!! i personally dn’t think they will either!! will give my score on saturday!!!!
hoops!!!...
here is the old post!!
..^.(*** ****! **) X November 22nd, 2011 at 1:38 pm
STATES
IN NEW RO LAST “86” GAMES
THESE ARE THE TEAMS THAT SCORED 3 TD’S OR MORE!!
CBA 35…... 04’
POK 34…....06’
JJCR 28….... 06’
MONROE 22…. 07’
JJCR 22….........07’
CARMEL 28…..08’
MAHOPAC 21….. 08’
SARATOGA 21….. 09’
THATS 8 GAMES THAT NEW RO DEFENSE WAS SCORED ON ATLEAST 3X OUT OF A POSSIBLE “86” GAMES AND I DIDN’T BREAK DOWN THE TEAMS THAT MIGHT HAVE SCORED THERE 3RD OR MORE TD ON A FUMBLE RETURNED OR A INTERCEPTION RETURNED!!!
NOTE….. ONLY 4 TEAMS SCORED 4 TD’S OR MORE AND ONLY 2 TEAMS SCORED 5TD’S OR MORE!!!!... SO FOR ANYONE TO THINK THAT NEW RO WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM STOPPING RCDS!!... CHECK THE HISTORY 1ST!!.. COACH D DEFENDS VERY WELL!!! I ONE WONDER HOW MANY TEAMS IN SEC1 CAN COMPETE WITH THEM NUMBERS OVER 86 GAMES!!!
just
..^.(*** ****! **) X November 22nd, 2011 at 2:07 pm
states / just
looking at orchard park!! they are very talented and very balance the can score quick and fast jmoose…... might be in for a rude awakening in the dome!!!
http://video.buffalonews.com/player/index.php?id=3738
just
Just a fact – 10k November 27th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
PPR, game over! 21-0 in the 4th only a miracle at this point. JMoose will not be happy.
Funny thing some guys talking about how archaic NFA offense is. Ye Ole Wing T being criticized again!!! – lolol
THE WING-T WILL HAVE A HARD TIME WINNING A STATE CHIP ESPECIALLY IF YOUR JUST RUNNING AND YOU DN’T HAVE A PASSING GAME!!....
JUST…........... ARE YOU READY TO SWITCH TO THE SPREAD!
JUST
IT’S A SAD DAY!!!... IN FOOTBALL!!... BUDDY!!
HOOPS
WHEN YOU SAY THAT NORTH ROCK DOESN’T PASS WELL!!..... PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN!!... AND EXPLAIN WHATS PASSING WELL IS!!...
JUST
THER MAKING A COME BACK 21-13 ORCHARD PARK
Prince, I went back. What a game. NFA almost tied it late. Me and Husky doing some back and forth – lol!
Prince.. NEVER. The Wing is the Ying to your Spread Yang!!!
I agree though. You have to pass. I think a team like JJEF where they specialize in the short pass, is the perfect combo to a running offense. Many unique formations out there. Screen most under-utilized play at the HS level.
Some nice calls above!
“JUST
IT’S A SAD DAY!!!... IN FOOTBALL!!... BUDDY!!”
What happened?
JUST
SEASON COMING TO A END!!....
HUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKYYYYYYYYYY!!
JUST
A POSTER POSTED!... PRETTY MUCH WHAT I HAD SAID BEFORE!!!
Coach K: I must say I was surprised that Newburgh was able to even be competitive in this game after OP took a 3 score lead. Newburgh should be proud of its ability to stay in the game, but it hurt itself a bit too often. Orchard Park’s great leadership and experience was evident throughout the game, and its seniors came to play today. OP showed it was more than one-dimensional both offensively (with a great passing game) as well as in the running game as Fitz did a solid job picking up yards after Newburgh did a good job containing Anderson. At the end of the day, OP was just too good with too many weapons and was the deserving winner of today’s contest. Congrats!
JUST
!!... THER DOING IT “RIGHT” IN WESTERN, NY AND THATS WHY THE TEAMS ARE WINNING AND THE PLAYERS ARE ATTRACTING ALOT OF COLLEGE SCOUTS/ RECRUITERS!!.......
ORCHARD PARK VERY BALANCE OFFENSE WITH SOME NICE SIZE PLAYERS!!... GOOD DEFENSIVE PLAYERS!!.. JUST….. LOOK AT THE DEFENSIVE STATS ARE POSTED
Orchard Park key players: sr. QB David Crowley (5-11, 175; 95-145, 1,688 yards, 18 TDs),sr.
RB/LB Okoya Anderson (5-10, 225; 193-1,719 yards, 31 TDs rushing; 29 tackles), sr.
WR Ben Johnson (6-3, 200; 46-793, 10 TDs receiving; 16 tackles, five interceptions), jr.
WR Ben Holmes (6-0, 177; 18-338, three TDs receiving; 21-249, four TDs rushing); jr. WR
Austin Goltz (5-10, 165; 15-288, four TDs receiving);
LB/QB James Fitzgerald (6-2, 225; 107.5 tackles; 20-157, three TDs rushing); sr.
LB Richie Moore (5-11, 212; 55.5 tackles, INT); sr.
DL Chase Smith (6-4, 230; 43.5 tackles); sr.
DB Luke Hoppy (5-10, 168; 31 tackles, three INTs); sr.
SS Kole Robinson (5-11, 175; 29 tackles, two INTs); sr.
OL Devon Leach (6-3, 300); sr.
Chris Eisenhut (6-4, 290); jr.
OL Michael Senn (6-3, 270); sr.
P/K Austin Reese (6-1, 205; 58-65 PATs, 4-5 FGs, 34.8 punt avg.).
JUST
YOU THINK STEPINAC WOULD BEAT ORCHARD PARK!!!... I DO!!
.. AND THEY WOULD EVEN BE RANKED AHEAD OF THEM IN THIS AREA!! 
Congrats to coach jimmy moran, stepinac alum, and dobbs ferry for winning the class c state title!
Stepinac guys getting it done!
Prince, of course of course Step coul. Next year to prove their greatness..
Here is the Tripheader:
12:00pm – Step – OP
3:30pm – Step – Rush
and for the nightcap
7:00pm Step – New Ro
So the question isnt if Step will go 3-0, but how much will they win by???
Go Crusaders!!!
Prince, awesome STATS!! 1.7k for Anderson!!
That is what I am talking about and what you have said all along. When we make a big deal about our players, they become a big deal. Taking the time to set up youtube, get stats on to maxpreps all that is paying attention to the details.
Keep up the good fight!!
Ppr
you play noone, that helps your defense – period. What don’t you get, you are as good as the competition you play!! Why is that such are hard thing to grasp.
You can’t honestly believe that you play a tough schedule…lolololol.
WAKE UP
CAN YOU “wake up”...... b/c you do not have a clue!!... your team plays a tough schedule!! yea ok!!.....
Just a fact – 10k November 27th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
Prince, awesome STATS!! 1.7k for Anderson!!
That is what I am talking about and what you have said all along. When we make a big deal about our players, they become a big deal. Taking the time to set up youtube, get stats on to maxpreps all that is paying attention to the details.
Keep up the good fight!!
NOT SURE IF I HAVE THE ENERGY!!.. TO TRY AND CONVERT THE KNOW IT ALL!!
Congrats to NFA for making it all the way to the Final – for the first time I think – and for making a nice comeback against a very good Orch Park team.
PPR,
I don’t believe I said No Rock doesn’t pass well. If I did, I was incorrect. What I thought I said was they are not generally a major passing team. Which i think is true. As Just and you wrote above, No Rock focuses on a relatively simplistic passing game – lots of short, high % passes, play actions, etc. No Rock is and has been forever a running team. There is nothing wrong with a more simple passing game and it can obviously be effective, but inherently it is easier to defend than a well-executed complex spread offense passing game. You guys love preaching stats recently…look at the stats in No Rock/New Ro – Bovino was 12/19, 182yds and a TD vs New Ro. On the season, Bovino averaged 73.6 passing yards a game in the other 6 games No Rock has posted stats for. Needless to say, No Rock had a lot of success passing the ball vs New Ro, so did WP.
PPR,
As far as you posting stats about New RO’s D going back to 2004 – thats wonderful, but also incredibly outdated. If you want to have a discussion of which program was the best over the last decade, New Ro wins that discussion. But 2004 was a long time ago, those players are long gone. No disagreement that New Ro has a very good D, but lets talk about the last couple years or just this year – the kids who played in ‘04 are 25-26years old now! That has nothing to do with this year. If we want to talk about D this year, No Rock had by far their best passing day of the year vs New Ro, WP had a big passing day vs New Ro and I don’t have the stats available, but I believe JJEF had some success passing vs New Ro too.
hoops
you just talk about the past in this post
Hoops fan November 27th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Just,
I have a comment directed to you about SOS that is ‘awaiting moderation’ that attempts to illuminate more on the SOS discussion.
As Sect 1 fans, we all like to think of our local teams as superior to the rest of the state. But when you look at the facts in the last 12-14 years ” WHY ARE YOU BRINGING UP THE 70’-90’S WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT!! NOW!!.. I SEE IT ONLY OK IF YOU BRING IT UP!!.. SMH!!.. IT’S ONLY GOOD IF IT BENEFITS YOU!!, it just isn’t backed up. In the 70’s, 80’s, early-mid ‘90s when Roosevelt and WP were top notch every year then I think we could’ve made a strong argument that Sect 1 was possibly one of the best in the state,
HOOPS
DN’T BACK PEDAL B/C WHAT YOU ARE SAYING NOW IS NO WHERE NEAR WHAT YOU ACTUALLY SAID!!.. THER WAS NO MISTAKE!!.... YOU CN’T EXPLAIN WHAT YOU ARE SAYING B/C YOU ARE JUST SPEWING WORDS!!
PPR,
Sometimes I really wonder about how much you understand. Yes, I brought up the past in a post – thats perfectly ok – but I brought it up to say how things have changed over time. Nothing wrong with bringing up the past at all. But there is a difference bringing up the past to inform on the present. I don’t think what New Ro’s D did in 2004 has a lot to do with what New Ro’s D is doing in 2011 – do you?
As far as ‘backpedaling’ – go back and actually read what I wrote. My point was clear 1) No Rock is primarily a running team, not a passing team (both you and Just agreed with this…ANY No Rock fan would agree with this!). 2) No Rock had BY FAR their best passing day of the year against New Ro’s D. Is there anything you disagree with or that I was unclear about?
HOOPS
I FIND IT HARD TOO BELIEVE THAT BOVINO WAS 12-19 FOR A 182 YDS I CAN TELL YOU I DO NOT RECALL 19 PASSES BEING THROWN!!.. BUT I BET IF YOU CHECK NORTH HAD ONE OF IT’S LOWEST RUSHING OUTPUT ALL SEASON!!! WP LIKE SAID DIDN’T HAVE THIS TON OF SUCCESS YOUR CLAIMING LIKE I SAID THE PILED UP 100 YDS IN THE LAST 3MIN OF THE GAME!! THATS NOT PASSING SUCCESS THAT COMPLETING SOME PASSES WHICH THEY SHOULD HAVE BOTH GAMES WHER PLAYED IN BAD CONDITIONS!! THE RAIN AND WE HELD THEM TOO 13 POINTS AND IN THE WORSE FIELD CONDITIONS!! NORTH ROCK!!.. I BELIEVE ON DRY GROUND DIFFERENT OUTCOME IN BOTH GAMES!!... BUT KEEP IN MIND BOTH GAME YOU WHERE BLOWNOUT IN THE WEATHER WAS I DEAL!!.. 55-70 DRY VERY LIL WIND!!
HOOPS
NEW RO DIDN’T LOSE B/C OF NORTH OR WP PASSING GAME!!..... LIKE YOUR TRYING TO SUGGEST!!.. I WILLING TOO BET THAT NORTH QB HAD A BETTER COMPLETION PCT. THEN BOTH OF YOUR QB!!..
ALSO WHY YOU KEEP SAYING THAT STEP IN RUNNING A COMPLICATED PASSING GAME YOUR PASSING IS NOT COMPLICATED!!!....... I THINK B/C YOU SEE 4 GUYS RUNNING DOWN THE FIELD THATS COMPLICATED!! AND IF A QB THROWS THE 20X A GAME IN 11 GAMES AND PASSES FOR 1K HE IS VERY GOOD!!.. THATS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE!!!
Will this blog really not be ananymous starting Thurs.? That will be interesting if it is true? Not sure it’s a good idea though. Wouldn’t be surprised if it led to somebody getting a knock on their door. I guess that’s the point though.
anonymous not ananymous
HOOPS
HOFFER STATS…....
MOUNT…....... 2-9…. 14 YDS
SAINT…..........5-13…..131YDS 1 TD 2 INT
IONA…............8-19…...88YDS 2INT
CHIP….............1-6…...7YDS…. 1INT
WP…............... 5-11…...125YDS 2TD’S
CRUSADER
THEY WOULD NEVER DO THAT B/C ALOT OF Y’ALL WOULDN’T BE ABLE TOO HANDLE SOMEONE MEETING YOU FOR LUNCH!!....
UNINVITED 
.... SO I THINK YOU AND YOUR BUDDIES SHOULD BE HAPPY!!!
HOOPS
Hoops fan November 28th, 2011 at 10:46 am
PPR,
Sometimes I really wonder about how much you understand. Yes, I brought up the past in a post – thats perfectly ok – but I brought it up to say how things have changed over time. Nothing wrong with bringing up the past at all. But there is a difference bringing up the past to inform on the present. I don’t think what New Ro’s D did in 2004 has a lot to do with what New Ro’s D is doing in 2011 – do you?
MY POST WAS TO BRING UP HOW CONSISTENT NEW RO DEFENSE HAS BEEN OVER THE PAST 7 YRS!!!.. IN 2O11 THE MOST POINTS THER DEF GAVE UP IN A GAME WAS 19 POINTS!! SO YES I THINK DOES!!.. DOES IT BOTHER YOU THAT FOR 7YRS NEW RO HAS BEEN ONE OF THE BEST DEFENSE IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK!!! NO MATTER WHO THEY PLAYED THE WHERE ALWAYS IN THE GAME!!! CAN YOU SAY THE SAME??????????
PPR,
First of all, YES Stepinac’s spread passing offense is more complex than No Rock’s passing offense. Thats not an insult or a put down, just a difference of styles and a different result. The point of saying a passing game is complex or complicated is to say the passing game is harder to defend. Do you think its easy for a HS D to defend a 4 receiver spread – I don’t. Seeing Taps at 6’4” 230lbs lned up out-wide or in the slot – not easy to defend or game plan. Taps TD catch against WP was perfect – lined up in the slot, cut across the middle, catches the ball in the seem, then no one on the D could tackle him as he went into the end zone – ideal play.
Now, Step ran the ball far more than it passed this year, but with a running QB in the spread, the D always has to respect the pass.
You talk about cherry picking…you have all of Hoffer’s stats available, why do you only post his 4 worst passing games and WP instead of posting all of the stats? For the record, St As, Iona and Mount had the three best D’s I saw all year, so there is no shame in having a rough day against those D’s. Hoffer played very well against WP, Xaverian, HC 2x, etc.
I don’t have the stats about No Rock running the ball vs New Ro. I do remember Ginty ran 15x for 84 yds. I also saw that against Cl North, No Rock only had 44yds rushing on 41 carries, so clearly Cl North did a great job stopping the run against No Rock. In looking at the stats this morning, his 84yds vs New Ro might’ve been one of Ginty’s top games of the year – I don’t think he broke 100yds more than once or twice in the 7games stats I saw.
As far as Bovino having a higher completion % than Hoffer – I’d bet he does. But you’ve also stated multiple times how No Rock throws short, high % passes almost exclusively. If you’ve ever watched Step, Hoffer throws primarily down the field, crossing patterns, deep patterns – clearly Hoffer is throwing more difficult passes, so his % would almost definitely be lower than any QB throwing shorter, high % passes. This is a great example of stats not telling the whole story.
PPR,
I think New Ro’s D has been excellent over the past 7-9 years – no doubt about it. But I think its highly misleading when talking about THIS YEAR to say ‘hey, New Ro has a great D, look at what they’ve done the past 7 years’. I think if we’re talking about THIS YEAR, I’m much more interested in what New RO’s D did vs the 3 tough teams they played this year – No Rock, JJEF and WP – than what Ray Rice did in 2004.
Keep in mind, New Ro’s D in ‘04 (and ‘03) was one of the best I’ve ever seen on the HS level. Yet, when they played a serious passing team – CBA – it became a shootout. You also have to be realistic – New Ro does an exceptional job defending the run, mostly against their Sect 1 opponents. But by ALL ACCOUNTS, New Ro has struggled to defend the pass. We can go back and forth forever to try to determine why they struggle to defend the pass. But needless to say, a team that struggles to defend the pass (New Ro) is greatly helped playing in a league with very few passing teams. If New Ro was put in an upstate league Sect 5, Sect 6, MM or CHSFL that has a lot of good passing teams on a weekly basis – I suspect New RO’s impressive points allowed streak would stop.
PPR,
I will definitely agree with you on one point. In the past 8-9 years New Ro was certainly in every game – that is a testament to their talent and their coaching. I think it also says a lot about their offensive style of play – which is also a choice by their coaching – I think its fair to say New Ro offensively attempts to play a ball control offense that relies on their excellent D to not give up a lot of points. New Ro’s offense has stalled at times (MW games), but their D has always been good enough to keep them in games.
By the way, you can make an argument that the large majority of teams New Ro has played in the state tournament (MW 2 out of 3 years I can remember except Sullivan’s team one year, Saratoga Springs, North Tonawanda, Troy, etc,) were primarily running teams. New Ro, from my admittedly limited recollection, since CBA in ‘04 (8 seasons ago) hasn’t faced many of the upstate spread/passing teams with athletic lineups – Rush-Hen, Orch Park (more passing this year than I remember in years past), CBA Syracuse, Pittsford.
HOOPS
IF RICE DOES GET HURT IN THAT GAME NEW RO RUNS AWAY WITH THAT GAME!!... SECOND YOU SAY NEW RO STRUGGLE AGAINST THE PASS!.... WHO DID THEY STRUGGLE WITH?... NEW RO DOES STRUGGLE WITH THE PASS!!.. THE TRUTH IS NEW RO IS HARDER TO RUN ON THEN TOO THROW ON!!.. IF NEW RO COME ACROSS A PASSING TEAM THEY WILL HANDLE THEM!!.. I PERSONALLY THINK STEP IS A RUNNING NOT A PASSING TEAM!!.. NEW RO WOULD SHUT THEM DOWN!! JUST LIKE IONA DID!!.. AND SAINT ANTHONY DID!!.. ONCE YOU TAKE STEP RUNNING GAME AWAY YOU WILL BEAT THEM 95% OF THE TIME B/C THE DEFENSE IS SUSPECT!!
*NOT GET HURT
HOOPS
THEY POINT OF THE MATTER IS: WE CONTAINED EVERY TEAM WE PLAY SPREAD, WISHBONE, IFORM, POWER FORM, WING, DBL WING!!.. THE DEFENESE IS GREAT!!.. YOU CN’T CONTEST THAT AND EVENTHIS YEAR!! THEY PLAYED WELL I DN’T RECALL US GIVING UP A 100 YARD RUSHER!! ALL SEASON!!.. AND WE GAVE UP 2 TOUCHDOWN PASSES IN 2 SEASONS FACT!! I THINK THATS NOT BAD PASS DEFENSE!!...
HOOPS
GINTY HAD ATLEAST 3 100 YARD GAMES VS YORKTOWN THEY HAD 294 YDS ON THE GROUND!! NORTH ROCK BEAT EVERYONE WITH THER RUNNING GAME AND THER DEFENSE NEW RO ONTAINED THER RUNNING THATS WHY HE HAD TO THROW SO MANY PASSES!!!
HOOPS
YOU COULD HAVE PUT TAPS AT TE IN THE IFORM AND GOT THE SAME RESULT!!.. IT WASN’T B/C OF THE SYSTEM IT WAS B/C HE WAS THAT GOOD!!!!
38-14?
10605
55-27
Can anyone speak about how Step, Iona, and New Ro (or anyone else) looks for next year? This year is done. What local talent do we have to look forward to seeing?
prince,
enjoy being on the bottom half of the rankings!
crusader
next year iona is the favorite #1 imo they bringing back the most and the over all best talent ther jv and frosh teams where loaded!!.... new ro bringing back a couple of guys!! but the will have too fill some big holes!!... jv struggled it will have alot of work to do!!!! next year not sure if you can throw them in #1 or #2 spot right now!! step from what i know they lost alot of studs!!.. and the repalcement are nowhere near ther talent!! step should be somewher between #3-#5 next year!!..
10605
where is that at?... never been there before!!... have you?
PPR
New Ro always seems to be able to re-load. Will be interesting to see if North Rock can duplicate this year’s success or WP realize their potential. I think your also right about Iona. I’ve heard they have a-lot of talent coming up. As far as Step, they do lose a number of key players to graduation but their JV finished 4-3 (same as Iona) so I’m optimistic that they will be able to compete well.
crusader!!..
i agree new ro always reload and they will have a lot of reloading too do!!! they bring back ther 3 rb, qb, c, te,t it should interesting!!... as for iona i was told that the best players on jv where all 9th graders and ther frosh team was actually more talented then ther jv!!i dn’t see iona vacating that #1 spot in westchester for atleast 3yrs i watch ther frosh and ther jv play and all i was saying was wow!!!... i think step will be able too compete b/c hoffer is back and he is pretty good and that helps alot when your qb is returning after having a good season!!!
While I think Step could be a very interesting team to watch next year and certainly dangerous, there are several teams in the CHSFL that bring back a lot of talent. St Anthonys will always be loaded. The Qb will be a jr after starting half the year as a soph this year – he can run and throws a nice ball. Anderson was their leading rushing this year. They have several other kids who got carries this year who will probably fit into their multi-back offense – Ridley, Jones, Duggan, though i think Anderson might be getting a lot of carries next year. Both of their lines will be huge as usual and they return some very good players on D including the LB Leggio who I thought was very good.
Xaverian returns maybe the two most dangerous players in the league – RB Smith and QB Kearney (who I think is a RB on the next level). They also return several starters on D and a very good, big WR Badyna. They didn’t have a big line this year and probably won’t next year, but they had some good players up front including Chris Jones.
Holy Cross needs a new QB, but they return several sophs and a couple jrs who played a lot at Rb and WR. HC always is well coached and plays tough D.
Chaminade returns their QB and leading rusher, both of whom will be 3 year starters. I imagine they’ll also have a predictably big, physical, well-coached offensive line.
Holy Trinity returns their Qb Laviano who already has multiple 1A offers – not sure how much else they have returning, but Laviano alone will be dangerous.
Mount loses a lot so should take a step back, but they’re always tough and execute their offense wel. Fordham returns two QBs who split time this year and their starting FB/TB Williamson – Fordham will likely get into the AAA playoffs next year. Kellenberg looks like they lose a lot since their QB was the bulk of their offense and graduates. Farrell graduates their QB and RB, but they have a new coach who seemed to reenergize their program, so I suspect they reload – they have a big school. SJBS seems to have lost its mojo a bit since McCombs and Amato graduated. McCombs by the way is the leading rusher for UCONN this year. My early December predictions for the CHSFL next year would be:
1-St As (until someone beats them)
2-Iona
3-Xaverian
4-Cham
5-Holy Cross
6-Step (6-9 could easily switch)
7-Fordham
8-Farrell
9-HT
10-SJBS
11-Mount
12-Kellenberg
*I think the 12 in AAA stay the same next year.
Prince
Iona had 3 sophs play up on the varsity – 2 were very important starters on defense so that hurt the jv record- The frosh class this year was LOADED – The FROSH QB is good enough to start next year- iona could have about 5 sophs next year on the varsity to supplement a deep and talented senior class an Junior class- iona has a legit shot to take down St. Anthony-
Hoops, just because a team excells at short passes does not make their passing attack simplistic.. You still need honor the deep ball.. And all the play action is successful because north roc and Jeff can run the ball… You should know better than trying to sell something so crazy!!!
Otherwise why not say all passing attacks are simple since all you really have to do is block, get open, throw the ball, catch the ball!!!
Simple!
..^.(*** ****! **) X November 28th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
HOOPS
YOU COULD HAVE PUT TAPS AT TE IN THE IFORM AND GOT THE SAME RESULT!!.. IT WASN’T B/C OF THE SYSTEM IT WAS B/C HE WAS THAT GOOD!!!!
Excellent thought!! Aka Kyle Brady!!
” If New Ro was put in an upstate league Sect 5, Sect 6, MM or CHSFL that has a lot of good passing teams on a weekly basis – I suspect New RO’s impressive points allowed streak would stop.”
Hoops,never. Coach D would game plan accordingly. New Ro has the team speed in the secondary, and strength upfront to stop any O attack..
ToP D in the State, every year!
A proven fact!!
Just,
I have a lot of respect for New Ro’s D and Coach D’s staff…but to say New Ro’s D is the best in the state every year is ridiculous. Sorry. I’ll give you ‘one of the better/best’ though. To call that ‘a proven fact’ it takes away from your overall credibility. They weren’t the best this year – no way – not giving up more pts to JJEF than No Rock did TWICE, not giving up more pts to WP than Step did, not giving up more pts to No Rock than Shen did. I’d say based on the actual results this year NFA, St As, Shen definitely had better D’s – Iona and Mount should be way up there as well.
Just,
I know you are not a Spread guy and you clearly were a defensive player in your day, but you need to get over your idea that all passing attacks were made equal. I’m not saying that a well-executed short passing game w/ screens and play action can’t be effective on the HS level – teams that run the short passing game can have a lot of success against good defensive teams. However, if you watched Step this year (which you didn’t) you’d clearly see a team that ran far more than they threw, but their passing game helped set up the run with their complex formations and routes. As a Defensive Coordinator…you don’t think its more difficult to defend a 4 wide out formation? You can’t seriously believe that.
Hoops, I did not come off the field, thank you very much. And I was probably best on special teams!!!
Hoops, ok!!
“One of the Best” – was the point. So you know they are not giving up a ton of pts no matter what offense. And when you think about that New Ro D speed, is what let’s everyone know, New Ro-Step 2010 or 2011 for that matter, New Ro has a good chance to win. All starts with the D.
If Shen played any Sect 1 team under normal conditions, I would take the results to have meaning. But the fact 3 games in 11 days, all stats tainted. I am sure you agree. I wish you could talk to a player and ask them how they felt going into that Shen game. Sure adrenaline is flowing, but not enough to overcome the prior two weeks.
The Shen North Rock score is two teams just trying to stuff the ball down each other’s throats. I think you would have to analyze number of run to pass plays for North Rock-Shen and North Roc -New Ro. But hey New Ro missed tackles galore in North Rock game. Was it the field conditions?
Hoops, and finally, last year you will remember me giving praise to Step OC for the design of the pass plays. I also called it poor defense since Goodman woudl throw it to open spaces in the field where WR were not covered. And if you do not think that matters, I am sure you remember me posting that ESPN “Brainiacs” were disputing the recruiting potential of a QB based on so many passes to open windows and not against guys actually covered.
As a “football” fan, I respect all offenses and know they are complex to defend, though looking from the Stands, it might seem otherwise. I am sure you agree with that too, not matter how much love you have for Step or the Spread.
Just,
I don’t discount in general about the 3 games in 11 days. I thought and said it would be a disaster from day one. But I agree with you about the Shen/No Rock, it seemed to be a game of two teams trying to ‘stuff the ball down each others throats’ as you say. I think the 3 games really would hurt a team that is based on speed and fresh legs like New Ro or WP more so than a team like No Rock that just wants to jam it down your throat. Also, PPR made the point earlier that No Rock benefitted from blowing out Scarsdale in QFs and being able to rest their starters – I think he’s correct. While 4 games in 18 days certainly didn’t help No Rock against Shen, I just don’t see a lot of evidence that it played a major part in the outcome. There hasn’t been a single No Rock fan come on here to say their team played poorly or was dragging, etc.
As far as Step/New Ro. unfortunately the debate has gotten old and stale. I acknowledge your understanding of football, but Stepinac was a juggernaut last year – I didn’t see New Ro stopping them at all. I think Goodman was unstoppable. This year, I think in theory you could make a better argument that New Ro would’ve been able to slow down Step. I don’t think there would be much of an argument from you that New Ro would’ve scored much on Step – New Ro averaged 9ppg against No Rock, JJEF and WP. Based on the years Step and New Ro had this year there really isn’t much argument that New Ro had a better year at all. As a fan, I acknowledge you as a New Ro fan wanting to believe New Ro would beat anyone…I just don’t think the results this year back you up at all.
Just
New Ro players slipped all over that field!! Of course it had something to do with new ro giving up 19 points!!!....
Hoops… Jjef gave up 28 points to north rock Arlington gave up 21 to north rock, does that make Arlington defense better!!.. No
New Ro defense is in the top 4 every year!! It no mystery!! It’s from good coaching!!! My friend!! And I agree that new Ro can handle in offense!!
Just,
As far as Goodman throwing to WRs in open spaces…if that was the case, don’t you think that had a lot to do w/ the offense, playcalling, and scheme that confused the defenses. The more complicated the passing game, the more open WRs you’ll see. I remember watching the old Florida-Spurrier teams thinking how bizarre it was to constantly see wide open WRs – I think the reality is it had a lot more to do with those teams and their offenses as opposed to the SEC defenses being clueless.
As far as recruiting from spread HS teams, a large number of teams around the country, particularly in the south, FL, TX, CA are running some form of the spread these days. Fewer and fewer of the elite HS teams are running old fashioned Wing T or I offenses. Did you see the scores from the LI championships this past weekend – they looked more like basketball scores! Its not a surprise that a huge # of 1A scholarship players in NYS come from leagues that run the spread in high #’s – CHSFL, MM, Sects 5,6,3, LI publics.
Hoops, you guys did not look big up front. All three teams would take advantage (North Rock, JJEF, & New Ro). All three had very good defensive players that would have been more than capable of stopping Step.
Here let’s break down the scoring for Step vs WP:
First drive set up by CGE long run right up middle – All three teams strong in the middle(Line & LB’s) – FG – would not have happened
The first TD a result of Punt Block – poor coaching/execution
Second TD – 70 yrd screen – empty set, only one WR to left – come on!! poor technique and coaching again since kids out of position
17pts
3rd TD – 30 yrd draw up the middle?? – again all three teams to strong up front
4th TD – 25 yrd TD – 10yrd pass off 3 step, qb looked at Taps the whole way. They were in man and the Safety right there – Another TD that does not happen.
31pts
Final TD out of desperation failed screen – again doesn’t happen since neither team would have been in such a situation.
38pts that doesn’t happen to JJEF, North Roc or New Ro!!
Hoops, exhibit A!!!
http://www.msgvarsity.com/westchester/ossining/stepinac-trots-by-white-plains-on-turkey-day-1.818580
Prince, it was definitely not a New Ro type day. They never miss that many tackles. Field conditions, exhaustion, North Roc hunger? I am sure it all played a part.
just/hoops
you would really have to expect the same offensive output you had against iona!!... iona and new ro defense is pretty much the same! you struggled all night and the score does not reflects the game!! i think iona dominate alot more then what the score reflects!!... i think new ro beats step 14-10
just
it was really the field it was very bad!!... i know the field slowed down new ro slashers!!
hoops
ther was a guy who posted that north looked sluggish!! then have that same energy!! new ro playing in a down poor and a very big physical wp teams then days later take on power football in the mudd! jjef, north rock, new ro all got beat up by the 3 games 11 days
just
this was a great, great post!!.. showing off that talent!!... i’m keeping my girl away from you!!
Just a fact – 10k November 28th, 2011 at 11:44 pm
Hoops, you guys did not look big up front. All three teams would take advantage (North Rock, JJEF, & New Ro). All three had very good defensive players that would have been more than capable of stopping Step.
Here let’s break down the scoring for Step vs WP:
First drive set up by CGE long run right up middle – All three teams strong in the middle(Line & LB’s) – FG – would not have happened
The first TD a result of Punt Block – poor coaching/execution
Second TD – 70 yrd screen – empty set, only one WR to left – come on!! poor technique and coaching again since kids out of position
17pts
3rd TD – 30 yrd draw up the middle?? – again all three teams to strong up front
4th TD – 25 yrd TD – 10yrd pass off 3 step, qb looked at Taps the whole way. They were in man and the Safety right there – Another TD that does not happen.
31pts
Final TD out of desperation failed screen – again doesn’t happen since neither team would have been in such a situation.
38pts that doesn’t happen to JJEF, North Roc or New Ro!!
just
i dn’t have too tell you who posted this!!... it’s not hard to determine!!!.. some ppl choice of words never leave them no matter how many names they say they “dn’t have”
Hopefully this will no longer allow the Prince Purple Rain and Just a Fact’s of the World to hide behind their computers and take cheap shots at people!
Just,
No offense, but sometimes your not actually watching games clouds your comments. And in this case, highlights can be highly deceiving. You said of Step’s line ‘you guys did not look big up front.’ I don’t know what your definition of ‘big’ is, but Stepinac’s line this year was HUGE!!!!
Pomposello and Aloizos are both 6’3”/6-4” around 300lbs. Gwin is 6’5” 250. Perpepaj is listed at 6’2’ 230. The fifth starter at G is a Jr, average-sized kid. The average size of the Step line was 6’2.5” 252lbs per lineman. Is there a bigger local line this year? Add in Taps at 6’4” 235 at TE and the line gets even bigger.
Your entire breakdown above was based on Step not being big up front. I don’t think you realize just how big Step, Iona and St As were up fron this year. Clearly, you were wrong.
Your breakdown is wishful thinking…nice to know that No Rock, JJEf and New Ro don’t make mistakes on D. According to you all the Sect 1 AA teams play perfect football at all times. Funny, I haven’t noticed it all the years I’ve been watching local football.
hoops
i will agree that step may have had some size!!.... but 300lb??????? and ther was a 6’5 guy on that line????......
i think just was saying that north rock , jjef and new ro, has proven against power teams that running up the middle against them teams found very lil success!...
also he said it “looks” like!!... he didn’t say they “where”!!
and he said
all three had very good defensive players that would have been more than “capable” of stopping “Step”...... do you doubt , nr/rock/jjef have the players too stop step?
PPR,
Yes, I don’t think No Rock, JJEF or New Ro would’ve been able to stop Step this year. I think New Ro does a good job with run defense and may have been able to slow Evans from running wild, but I see no evidence any of those three teams could stop White. White ran on everyone this year St As, Iona, Xaverian and I definitely don’t see No Rock, JJEF or New Ro’s front 7 being as good as St As or Iona. Thats not an insult, St As and Iona’s front 7 were very, very good and big. As far as pass defense, none of those three schools have played a serious passing team – I think Step could pass on any of the three. There is not a strong argument that New Ro could stop Step from passing when New Ro couldn’t stop No Rock and WP from passing.
PPR,
With the new field construction the whole Stepinac team files through the stands to get to their lockerroom during and after each game – those kids were huge!
HOOPS
WHAT DO YOU THINK NEW RO FRONT WAS RICE 6’2 290LBS DOUGLAS 6’3” 265LB CALDARARO 6’4” 220LB CLARKE OLB 6’3” 235LB, DURETT 6’2” 215LB I DN’T THINK THATS SMALL
Prince, exactly!! Guys get to attack players and fathers but still get to come on here, take a shot at us for exactly what they do!!
I need that type of pimp pass!!!!
Ps can’t wait to meet either ” tough guy”
JUST
they get a pass all the time!! and we get the blame!! i cn’t wait!!! so i can lol!! when they pop up!!
just
you know they started this war!!.. it was all over a opinion!!! and they could not handle the truth!! thats when the name calling started stating players had a ax to grind!! and they wher mad b/c they said that the player didn’t have enough talent to play on a certain level!! it was them that started this whole thing!!! they try to be cyber bullies but it did not work!!
Prince,
Devany, Josh and a bunch of old timers know these guys try/tried to silence people. I saw them consistently try and bully guys for a 2-3 yr period before I started posting. I came on just to mess with 10960 and the rest is history.
But from having to put Bad Info in his place..
, to see them get so overwhelmed with jealousy because people would agree with the comments,to getting them to lose their cool and attack players and parents, what an enjoyable experience, to see these so called “experts” Self Destruct!!!! 
Team PPR/JAF can’t be beat!
“Hoops, you guys did not look big up front. All three teams would take advantage (North Rock, JJEF, & New Ro). ”
This was at Step front D-7 – not offense – I should have been more clear. NR’’s and JJEF would have plenty of success on the ground IMO.
Then I went on to say , those three teams front 7 were very strong so Step plays going right through the middle was not happening, IMO. Not to mention the DB’s for 3, all were very good players. And we did not even bring up the Coaching, preparation and game planning.
“just
this was a great, great post!!.. showing off that talent!!... i’m keeping my girl away from you!! ”
Prince, lololol!!!!
Come on.. Bro Code.. dont go after your Boy’s girl, she ain’t worth it!!!
JUST
THIS HAD ME IN TEARS!!
LOL
“just
this was a great, great post!!.. showing off that talent!!... i’m keeping my girl away from you!! ”
Prince, lololol!!!!
Come on.. Bro Code.. dont go after your Boy’s girl, she ain’t worth it!!!
JUST
NEVER SURPRISE ME WITH YOU ABILITY TO BRING THESE GUYS DOWN TO EARTH AND EXPOSE THEM FOR WHAT THEY ARE!! YOU ARE THE ” MAN”!!....
Just a fact – “Coward is here” – 10k November 29th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
Prince,
Devany, Josh and a bunch of old timers know these guys try/tried to silence people. I saw them consistently try and bully guys for a 2-3 yr period before I started posting. I came on just to mess with 10960 and the rest is history.
But from having to put Bad Info in his place.. , to see them get so overwhelmed with jealousy because people would agree with the comments,to getting them to lose their cool and attack players and parents, what an enjoyable experience, to see these so called “experts” Self Destruct!!!!
Team PPR/JAF can’t be beat!............. OR DO YOU MEAN BEAT UP!!
Prince, I don’t think we have to worry,
JUST
I’M
COOL AS A FAN!! 