As you know, the second annual New York State High School Football Classic will be played Sunday, June 5 at the Carrier Dome. To kick off more than a month of Classic activities, the organization will host five combines across the state for underclassmen this Sunday, May 1.
All football players from grade 9 through 11 are eligible to attend. There is a $30 fee.
The location for local players is Half Hollow Hills West High School in Dix Hills, which is on Long Island. The combine is scheduled to begin at 9 a.m.
The top 250 finishers (according to a point system) will then advance to the Upstate-Downstate Elite Combine, which is scheduled to take place Sunday, June 5 (the day of the Classic) at East Syracuse-Minoa High School.
According to the Elmira Star-Gazette, players will be tested in the following disciplines: 40-yard dash, agility (short shuffle), vertical jump, bench press (185-pound reps), broad jump, and three-cone drill. The paper said athletes can opt out of testing in any particular area, and the score will be left blank.
Like I said above, the cost to enter the combine is $30 per athlete. Walk-ups will be accepted.
If for whatever reason you need more information, e-mail me at jthomson@lohud.com and I can try to answer your questions or connect you with someone who can.
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sounds like a money making event for someone
lol. people are so cynical. why can’t it just be about getting kids excited about football in the spring in a state that doesn’t have spring football. at $30 a head boy those running the combine are gonna make enough to retire on!
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how much was sec1 combine??? $60.00!!!!!
Everything is about making money. Clinics, lessons, gas prices…,
If I had something for money, I would not fight it, I would just continue to sell the benefits. Once you start talking about how you are not making money, it is a losing battle that cant be won, IMO ,
PPR, yeah, $60 for Combine + College Coaching. UNBELIEVABLE bargain. Do you know what college’s and others charge for a one day camp, and no combine? 2, 3 times that amount.
Twitter….it is a joke because nothing will come out of it…better off going to the beach
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I TOTALLY AGREE!!..... EITHER YOU DOING (THE COMBINE) FOR THE RIGHT REASONS!!!! OR YOU DOING IT FOR THE WRONG REA$ON $$$$$$$$$$$
!.. AAND TRYING TO SELL IT AS A RIGHT REASON!!!!.....
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AL GOLDEN TEMPLE UNIVERSITY ONE DAY CAMP!!! $60.00 WITH D1 AND 1AA COACHES RUNNING IT!!! AND YOU CAN GET A OFFER ON THE SPOT!!... ( AL IS LONGER THER BUT THE NEW COACH IS OFFERING THE SAME THING AT THE SAME PRICE)!!!!...
The smart money says go to the library…much more money given for academics than sports. Much better to do well in school and go to a good D-3 school and play football or whatever other sport you may choose. All the hype of guys going to D-1 schools is hot air.
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you from the beach to library!!!!
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..*** you went
scoopy has a good point … much better to play football and graduate with a degree from a school like Johns Hopkins than to sit on a bench on a d1 roster.
PPR, Temple camp is an excellent one! and a great value … combines are a waste of time
I’m new to the blog. Have been enjoying reading a lot of the posts, hope I can contribute something of interest.
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us bloggers about yourself!!... are you a football player, are you a fan of section 1, what class are you reping. AA, A , B , C !.. and what team do you rep!...
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i agree that temple camp is very good!!... but i have too disagree about combines being a waste of time!... 1) most combines take place in the south and on the west coast!!..and most scholarships are given to the football player from the south and west coast 2) the south and west coast turn out is anywhere from 200-500 kids!! and if the combines are a waste of time i cn’t see why the trun out is so high!!... also why are some of the nations top athletes attend these combines if they are useless!!....the numbers speak volume!!!!!
PPR, thank you for making my point for me!!! Temple is charging $55 for JUST the coaching! Most Combines charge anywhere from $60 to $150. Section1Recruiting was charging $60 FOR BOTH!!!! An Incredible Bargain!
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temple does forty, shuttle, broad, and vertical, ball skill drills, and techinque!!
prince, born and raised in westchester, played back in the day for my high school (o line, obv). 2 of my kids play (1 in coll. now, not playing football. 1 still in hs and playing) both in sect 1.
I don’t really think about a national scale when it comes to football, just pretty much local (nor am I qualified to) so I guess that’s why I don’t think combines are necessary for local kids to get college looks. It’s my understanding college coaches can’t go to them anyway. Kids can get measured and timed by their coach and if they have the general measureables a coll coach is looking for, he’s going to evaluate the kid before offering. I may be wrong but thats the way I understand it to work.
I think the Temple camp measures kids and times 40’s. I know UCONN does at their camp.
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so your electing to support sec1 not a specfic classifcation? class aa or class a or class b etc.?.....
good luck!.. on the blogg… make sure you bring your your note pad, and your gloves, and your football savy from your playing days!!.. because once you enter ther arena only the strong survives!!...
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Combines are good for kids who have been seriously training since football ended. A waste of time for kids who have not worked 3 to 4 days a week.
Kids get a feel of how good kids are out there & what kind of shape they are in. You are not going to walk away from a combine & automatically get a scholarship. But you will walk away with tested numbers that recruiters are looking for.
Kids also see how good kids are around them & know they have to work harder.
The one day camps are very good value. Kids get taught by College coaches from all over. For instance at U Conn- you might get coached by coaches from school all over east coast. Including Div 3 & 2. So kids can make contacts at these camps. Camps at $50 for day are great value. These colleges must have insurance & training staff & other things in place to run safe events. These are not huge money makers.
PRINCE, PURPLE RAIN 3G’Z…i like reading on the beach as well. i think it is fine to go to a combine…but it is a long shot to get something out of it. best bet is to make sure the kids hit the books and if they can play it is a get combo…i think too many people think that if good/great athlete people are going to be knocking down your door. a few of the kids in westchester landed at D-1 schools but the question is now what? D-1 is big time and big business…u dedicate almost all of your time to the sport you are playing. cant forget about the education which is the primary reason they are going to college.
one of the biggest decisions someone makes is where to go to college. there are so many factors that need to be considered. some decisions where made quickly and some not so quickly. there was a lot of chatter about signings and where others were going. an example of this is tom dicarlo from eastchester. he had a great 4 year career topped off with a fantastic senior year. he made all section, golden dozen and 1st team all state. out of all the awards the golden dozen award represented his achievements best (scholar/athlete). he was approached by a lot of very good schools on a lot of different level but finally decided on muhlenberg. muhlenberg is an excellent school that plays in the centennial conference (Johns Hopkins, Gettysburg, Franklin & Marshall). it is a D-3 school where he will definately be able to play (be an active participant). since it is D-3 they dont have athletic scholarships but if you are a good student there is academic (merit) money available. he will be studying Pre-Med while at muhlenberg.
Just, I don’t concern myself with labels, I’m just a guy that likes to watch football (esp. my kid), haha
Prince, thanks for the welcome, mostly A and AA, we’ll leave it at that for now but as the season progresses and passions flare, all true loyalties are usually revealled, lol
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LOL!!!.... HE IS PAYING VERY LIL ATTEN….
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i watch dicarlo once and a couple of times at the camps and i thought he was a very good player and a better leader!!... good luck to him off the field and on!!....
too me it’s all about getting as much of a free education as possible!! on any level!!
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lol, i see you have some spunk!!
so whats your take on the new league alignment?.....
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i totally agree!!!
Prince,
I’ll say up-front, I’m really not familiar with the Rockland Co. teams. Overall, I think the new alignment seems better. At least, the better teams seem matched up with comparable competition (for the most part) in AA and A. The better teams won’t have a schedule full of the Hen-Huds, Panas, Lincoln, etc to pad their record with easy wins. The top 6 or so teams in each will pretty much have a battle every week. It should provide us some exciting games! (only referring to AA and A here)
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Good post about the 1 day camps, I agree. However, if you are asserting that anyone who thinks the combines aren’t worth it hasn’t been working out religiously since last season ended, you are wrong. Maybe they just disagree with you about combines. Of course you’re not walking away with a scholarship from a combine, the coaches can’t go to them. You can get offers at a camp, seen it happen at Temple, UCONN and Lafayette’s big camp. Also, kids that work out year-round know the shape they are in and have sized-up the competition at the 1 day skill camps, the better ones usually attract players from up and down the coast and some mid-west states. I’m not trying to be argumentative here, just seemed like that statement was a shot at combine non-believers. If I’m wrong, my apologies.
Scoopy, I agree to some extent.
My thoughts, no one should stomp on kids dreams so if they want to chase the golden goose(D-1A scholarship or D-1AA of D-2 for that matter) I say go for it. But they need to be told and counsleors, Coaches and especially Parent(s) need to make sure they have a PLAN B!!
And this is where we agree, using football to get into a D-3 school can lead to a very good education. And for those that qualify financially, they might find a program and go for free. A lot of optons that need to be looked into! Best of all, kids will be shocked how good the talent is in D-3. Case in point, all one has to do is go look at Duke Alvora’s HS tape to see the quality player D-3 schools get.
I guess i did not explain myself in right manner.
The Combines are different than the one day camps. I realized after I wrote post that i was not clear.Combines run by outside organizations- college coaches cannot attend. Kids still get on the radar of Rise & Nike camps by attending these combines. There are people who write up reports about these combines that gets out to the colleges. Plus kids have accurate times that colleges are aways looking for. I think what combines do well is make Players understand where they are against other kids who are out there. Many kids dont think they have to work hard & everything is going to fall into there laps. They will be wasting there time at a combine. I agree that everyone should hit the books. Because no one is going no where if they dont have grades. No matter how good they are. Combines are kind of an award for kids who have been in weight room non stop since November. It gives them a measuring stick. As I said before , if you have not been working out at least 4 days a week & do speed work. Dont waste your money or time at a combine.
One day Camps are what I referred to as being very good. Syracuse has one at SUNY Maritime, U conn is doing one this year , Temple one is outstanding[ but coach just left for Miami job],
These camps are worked by staffs of that colleges & by Coaches from all over who go work at these camps to be able to see kids. These are a cheap way of going to a college & making contacts. Lafayette has one that get over 250 coaches from all over & has over a 1000 kids attend.
Kids dont have to go to camp to get noticed But it helps. Football people have been trying for years to keep with Basketball circuit [ AAU or so forth] Trying to get kids doing 7 on 7 ’s & other events to keep them working hard during the off season.
I still dont think $50 for an all day event is to much. Kids blow that going to movies & other things they do without even blinking an eye.
Just a fact – 3K…believe me i think every kid should shot for it but i think they have to understand the odds and what other options are out there. looking at the odds the chance of getting academic $ is much greater than sports $. for every kid that got sport $ i bet there were 100 to 200 that got merit $ (just a guess). i think it is important for the parents and kids to understand that. there is so much hype about getting sports $ and i just want people to understand that it’s not the end of the world if you dont have notre dame knocking down your door. in addition unless you have some sort of connection (may be a bad choice of words) the odds of getting a look from a D-1 school are slim coming from our area. they may give section 1 a quick glance but their eyes are focused elsewhere (south and west).
Scoopy, Good post. Very good advice to kids. As for the ones that want to play and feel they just have to play football at the next level, D-1AA and D-3 have some great schools within a few hours drive in all directions of this area where kids can get an excellent quality education and their parents can even drive there to see games, haha.
If you are looking to get your kid recruited, you need to send him to camps. Combines are a fun, competitive experience, but college recruiters honestly couldn’t care less about your vertical jump or bench reps. These things are like taking a math quiz, they can be mastered with PRACTICE. Recruiters look for things that can’t be TAUGHT (explosiveness, tenacity, coachability, great movement skills, etc.) Obviously these things can be somewhat developed but college coaches want to see your son up close in their favorite drills which are designed to expose his “natural talent”. When they evaluate, they look for LONG TERM POTENTIAL (how does your son project in 2 years? whats he gonna look like then?). After your son is evaluated, college coaches will say either 1) Were offering you a scholarship/admission help/money, 2) He is a “Plan B” prospect for us, or 3) Sorry, no thanks.
And I don’t mean to put down the Section 1 Combine at all, I had a great experience there at the end of my sophomore year. However, I just want to advise players and parents that they shouldn’t expect any recruiting development as a result of ANY combine. My own recruitment had everything to do with a 3 day college-affiliated camp and my junior year tapes. I would like to add that my tapes wouldn’t have made a difference if I hadn’t made coaching contacts to see them at summer camps. Bottom line: identify D1A, D1AA, and D3 schools that run camps that work timing wise for you and go get it. In the Northeast, Harvard, Princeton, and Rutgers camps are all excellent, packed with college coaches from all levels. Finally, NEVER be rude or condescending to a coach because you think you’re too good for his school. It will ALWAYS come back to haunt you. And don’t just send tapes to schools you haven’t been in direct contact with (I’ve seen the boxes where they end up!) My advice is to enjoy the competition at the Section 1 Combine (which is a good bargain) and go to as many college camps that you can reasonably attend.
God Bless and Good Luck.
bville,
Very good advice, you have obviously experienced this process, going through it now with my son and it is just as you describe. Prospects would be wise to listen to the above 2 posts.
I would like to hear some opinions of guys that run/ran combines and their thoughts on whether combines help in the recruiting process. I know right off the bat, one answer was a respected combine will give college coaches the exact scores ( not fudged). The fact you measure your speed and all the other tests are important.
And the most obvious question, if combines truly do not help in getting kids recruited by college’s, why do the Pro’s make college athletes go to combines? They have all the film, and they spoke(could speak) to all the Coaches, they seen all the stats, they have all the articles and yet the Players still have to go to combines? but combines do not matter?
Not making sense!
Just a Fact- 3KZzzz:
I was only trying to make a point that performing at college-affiliated camps is much more productive in the recruiting process of a high school athlete than combines. There are plenty of high school kids that run good times and lift insane amounts of weight that aren’t heavily recruited because they may lack potential for long-term development. College recruiting is all about finding athletes with good character and work ethic that are very naturally talented. College coaches aren’t usually looking to feature freshmen in a starting role (unless necessity warrants it) because they like guys that they can develop and mature into an All-Conference performer by the time they are juniors or seniors.
The Combine that you are referring to is the NFL Scouting Combine, and it widely known to be a money-making, highly publicized event for the NFL. There are countless examples of guys who dominated this event and never amounted to anything in the NFL. In addition, there are just as many guys who really were poor performers at the combine and today are Hall of Famers. Jerry Rice is one guy who ran a sub-par 40 time for an NFL receiver (4.6 something, which caused him to slide down to the late first round despite being supremely talented), and I don’t think I have to tell anyone about him and what he accomplished in the NFL.
And I’m not trying to put down combines or the people who run or attend them. They may or may not help a high school football player get recruited to a great school. My point to the people who get really hyped up over combines is that you have to go to CAMPS if you want to realistically get recruited, unless your an All-American and Ohio State is banging down your door.
Bville, I think all osf us would agree the biggest key to getting recruited would be ones measurables. I use this term to include, height,weight, strength, speed, agility etc.. In looking at this, obvious combines help record this type of info. I would think second film and then the rest. So I hear what you are saying, going ot camps, gives cooleges a first ahnd look at you, but I dont think you can discount the combines either. Which is more important? I don’t know, I would say do all. Hit the combines, camps(if you can afford them), send your video, make phone calls/e-mails, do youtube. I think you need to do it all.
For every Jerry Rice, there are stories of guys who were not definite 1st or 2nd rounders , that later did well at combines and improved their draft positions. So that argument works both ways. My thoughts, it all matters to me.
How would you rank the most important factors to getting recruited(like a top5), not including grades?
I found a article about combines vs camps. I think this will show that both are needed in the recruiting process, well atleast that is how I feel and the guy that wrote the article. It is written by Randy Rodgers. Here is his bio:
“a veteran of over 35 years in the college recruiting arena. As a major college coach and Division 1 Recruiting Coordinator, Rodgers brings a unique Texas perspective to the college recruiting process. ”
Here is the article:
“As part of the recent Blue Chip Recruiting Roundup tour, I am fielding lots of questions from players and parents regarding attending Camps and Combines. Many people are currently very confused about the definitions and differences between “combines” and “skill camps” and how those relate to the presence of college coaches. The new NCAA rules interpretations have made these two events “different animals”, but still there is a lot of confusion on the part of the high school community.
COMBINES involve “testing”. Players run the 40, vertical jump, run the Shuttle, bench press and in some cases other events where their performances can be evaluated. At the Nike Combines, those numbers are combine to obtain a SPARQ rating. As per the new NCAA rules, college coaches are prohibited from attending combines. In addition, no longer can “combines” be held on college campuses.
SKILLS CAMPS involve football skills. Players perform football related skills relative to their chosen position. Players can still be measured (ht/wt) at camps, but no “testing” may occur. If those camps are held within the Spring Evaluation window (April 15-May 31), college coaches may attend and watch players workout (except Sundays). Those camps can be held on college campuses.
College coaches want prospects to attend combines, so that they can get an independent evaluation on their speed, size, etc, because they themselves can’t attend. College coaches also want prospects to attend camps in the spring evaluaton window, so they can personally observe them
A year ago, the two events could be combined. No longer.”
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I would say grades are definitely critical. No one is going anywhere if they cannot meet the eligibility standards. In terms of actually playing the game, I do understand your point about measurables, I’m not saying those things mean nothing. “Measurables” are used to compare prospects with hard data; most comparisons between two prospects are very objective. It is difficult to tell which prospect is a better “natural” athlete, but it is possible to find out who can run a faster 40, which is comforting for recruiters.
That being said, in my personal experience, no college recruiter ever asked me what my 40 time was or how much I could lift. Coaches understand that running a good 40 and things like that can be practiced and perfected and are not necessarily indicative of a prospect’s natural ability. Simple technique work can make a large impact in a 40 time.
I’ve said before that I will not tell anyone to skip combines. I would advise prospects to attend camps because in my experience they are more helpful. Measurables are not everything. A prospect can look great and have all the size and speed but if he does not show up on tape to be a signifcant talent on the field than he will not be recruited. There is no correlation between players with great measurables and great players on the field.
Vernon Gholston is an example of what can happen when teams fall in love with “workout warriors”. This is not meant as any offense to him, I do not doubt that he gave the NFL his all out effort. It just goes to show that there is more to being a great player than measurables.
bville, if your point is do everything, I agree.
I wouldn’t let anyone tell you something does not matter. Put all your postives out there, youtube, send emails, phone calls, send tapes, hit the combines, camps, have your Coach make calls, whatever it takes(and whatever you can afford,
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Reading some articles it does seem like Camps are where you need to be. Hit em all.
bville, don’t get me wrong I hate the fact Colleges love the workout warriors and all the other measurables like 40 times, height, weight etc… But it seems like it has been that way for a long long time.
Just a fact,
I definitely agree with you on that. It is too easy for colleges or pro teams to fall in love with a player who simply is not as good on the field because he has tremendous measurables off of it.