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Rye should have punted. Poughkeepsie shouldn’t have gone for two. Rye should have been in a prevent defense. Poughkeepsie went offsides.
The last 12 hours has featured many of the same comments on this blog. All very valid. If you want read more about last night’s epic Rye-Poughkeepsie game, read my game story here. I spoiled it a little last night by posting the postgame comments on the blog. But the article has a better play-by-play of the action.
It wasn’t the only game last night, although it felt that way. Somers blitzed Nyack 27-0 behind 149 yards rushing from Matt Deiana. Nyack coach John Castellano was ejected in what was surely a spillover of the frustrations from the past few weeks. great column in today’s paper about the ‘Developmental League’ in Class C (known as League 3).
Carp and I differ on this set up. He thinks it’s great that the struggling programs get an opportunity to play a weakened schedule and get their low numbers back up. I’m not disagreeing with that concept. It’s needed at that level. But I have such a difficult time thinking that there’s six teams of players who enter the season without the ultimate dream — winning a state championship — even if it’s fantasy. I think you’ll eventually turn more kids away from football because the games now are almost exhibition.
My idea for Class C is to play a weighted schedule, much like the Piner System. I know people cringe when they hear Piner because they were conditioned to by the promiment coaches in Classes A and B years back. If the Piner would work in any conference in Section 1, it would be Class C. Play an eight-game regular season (assuming Section 1 gives a game back next year) and put four in the playoffs. Trust me, it would work. The Piner is a good system, I don’t care what any of the 200-win coaches say.
Just my take. Going out to eat pancakes and get ready to watch Pleasantville-Sleepy Hollow and Lakeland-Roosevelt. Should be a great day.
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As I stated before, it wasn’t just the not punting on the last series, it was the not lining up to punt the series before and then shifting, with Eck lateraling the ball to the punter for a 15 yard punt. Then following that up with not punting at midfield. Just a terrible job of game management. Rye played so well, Garr had them prepared, but had no faith in the punt return team. That’s what cost them. Kick the ball out of bounds. Mind boggling and in my opinion, indefensible. Garr should admit he blew it and move on, not blame the refs. there are bad calls in all games.
The pass interference penalties were legit, it looked like Graham started to swing his arms before the snap on the last play but didn’t move his feet. Very close.
Kevin,
You’re smarter than that…most teams know they have no shot at a state championship…a mythical section championship was at least an attainable dream..this whole state playoff thing is a joke at least in AA in Section 1…most teams know its a longshot for a league championship for that matter in the better leagues…frankly, when Carmel lost to RCK week 1, their season was done from a league championship perspective..at best they couldve tied…how the hell does that make any sense for the kids or coaches?Particularly with no crossover games and your postseason is decided on league finish??
The fact the the state football committee has set up the classification numbers so that the true small schools will never have a legitimate chance to win a state title. The four schools in the C semi’s today are all B schools in every other sport, the A champ will most likely be a school that competes in AA in everything else. So schools like Valhalla a true class c, has to compete with B schools for the C title. Read what Coach Treglia from Woodlans said, he gets it, its not about winning state championships, its about competeing and working hard and commitment, winning is a buy product of those things. The teams in this league understand this Kevin, how come you can’t. Read Rick’s article, According Valhalla’s John Meaney its football its 11 on 11 . Sorry if it doesn’t fit your definition.
Devaney you are clueless. Let me take a guess you never even played the game? Its not fun working hard and get your brains bashed in week in and week out. Your rationale just proves that you like many others dont get it.
The AD’s and arrogant football coaches that vote against this league are schools that want a couple of “gimmess” on their schedule. It all about the wins.And theirr egos! Thats it.
It Hs football in Section1 in NYS… its about the process for these young men , not the product.
Here is an eye opener for football coaches and Ad’s its not about you or your record it is about the KIDS!
Congrats to Valhalla and the rest of the teams that are doing the right thing.
Shame on schools like Bronxville and Dobbs that are not going to let this happen again next season.
What goes around comes around fellas!
Gotta disagree with you Kevin. The developmental league is a good thing. If you think its going to turn away players, imagine having kids getting their butts handed to them week in and week out because of lack of numbers, lack of varsity experience, etc. You think those kids are going to come back? The developmental league is a great way to compensate for those kinds of shortcomings. It is about the kids and about the program. Not about wins and losses. Section championships, trips to the Dome, etc.
Wow Kevin…you must not have talked to those IN the league.
Sure the Other two leagues are left with the 8 teams, and two d teams, meaning everyone makes the playoffs, but the 6 team C league brought Yonkers back into section I from freelance, and has given some of these teams a well balanced and fair season. You add up the wins from the 6 teams last year, and I think its 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 2. Thats FOUR WINS out of six teams last year…
I talked to kids at Valhalla and the coaches, they LOVE the C league. They were thinking of folding the season this past July due to lack of numbers. THat or focusing more on a modified, frosh, jv teams and build up from that. The C league gives them the chance to keep the varsity team and avoid folding. Unless you are a fan of teams and programs just folding up and being done then this league helps (keep in mind mid 90s Valhalla actually went to the Dome and even won).
Did you know the CHSAA has JV Teams field their own playoffs? instead of having the JV team end and bringing up kids to ride the bench on Varsity playoff teams, teams in the CHSFL, CHSHL, etc will have jv championships, thus giving the JV kids playoffs and avoiding a log jam on varsity for the time being. THey figure if the Varsity is good and in the playoffs WITHOUT JV kids, then they can continue on and suceed with having JV on their own playoff teams. Naturally JV ends then they are called up, but the set up is great to avoid low numbers and folding programs.
Alot of the public schools dont have jv, or frosh teams, some go from modified straight to varsity. So it’s rather hard to field a team. Some Class B teams had 22 kids!! thast four over the dress limit by the nysphsaa.
the league is great to keep numbers up. Considering some of the kids on jv or other teams in section I already know they won’t be seeing the dome in a given year, have those six teams build up and down the road you will see Valhalla back in the playoffs, same with Woodlands even Yonkers might be back in A in due time.
“It Hs football in Section1 in NYS… its about the process for these young men , not the product.
Here is an eye opener for football coaches and Ad’s its not about you or your record it is about the KIDS!”
This is a great comment. I posted something under the Albert Magnus win that bears this out in relation to Lincoln Hall.
to thetruth;
guess truth is in the eye of the beholder.
Bronxville has approx 100 students per HS grade. They are, in fact, closer to being a D school than a B school by enrollment so please get your facts straight. The fact that a school this size is competing for section championships in Field hockey, girls soccer, and football, not to mention the boys soccer who won the B state championship last year is nothing short of amazing. The teams for Bronxville that are playing B are choosing to “play up”, not down, and there is an inherent difference so why is it “shame on Bronxville”? You made a good point though about commitment and playing hard. I don’t think there is anything in the water at Bronxville that makes them better athletes but maybe there is more on the desire and committment side than you would care to admit. Maybe, just maybe, they are trying harder and showing a little more desire. Is that possible? By saying they are a B school playing in C, you are taking the onus off of yourself. Now, that might make you feel better but facts as unpleasant as they may be are just that, facts, and hard to dispute but I gues you should never let the facts get in the way of a good story and especially a story that makes you feel better about yourself or your school.
Kevin
No such luck getting this idea thru. The state championship needs to go. Most teams know they have no shot to get there.
The developmental league is a great idea. This is high school sports.
Try being Mike Lupica somewhere else.
Bronxville is a Class B school by enrollment based on thier beds numbers. Schools in NY State are not allowed to “play up” they are a Class B school. I commend their success in their other sports. Don’t make it sound like they are doing anything so amazing the the only schools in section one class c football that are class c schools in every other sport are, Valhalla and Blind Brook, so before you get all us against the world just consider that fact. Most of the other class c schools don’t even have football (Hamilton, Keio, North Salem) Haldane and Tuckahoe are Class D in football and Class C in everything else. So for Valhalla to be doing what they are by playing in the “developmental league insures the survival of their program, They may never compete again for a sectional title until their enrollment numbers go up drastically or they go back down to class D. Those are the facts.
bottom line is we agree that the developmental league is probably a good thing as long as it is administered properly-gives kids a place to play where they would ordinarily get hammered and probably lose interest-the only problem is when you get the uninformed saying, wow this so and so is great and that team would win the world championship etc. The reality is that Valhalla for all their success in the developmental league would have won, at most, a single game with a regular schedule and perhaps ended their program altogether so there is nothing wrong with having them do well in developmental. I would like to see a system where the best team gets promoted to the regular schedule and the worst gets relegated to developmental but even that’s not perfect since teams change so much from year to year.
Whoa and The Truth,
You are both wrong. Classification in each sport is dependent on school enrollment. Different sports have different classification numbers and it also depends on the number of classes that play particular sports (for example, whether it is A, B, C, D,or AA, A, B, C, D or A, B, C). Bronxville plays in Class C in certain sports and Class B in others-it does not choose to play in Class B but is required to by the New York State Classification numbers. Here is the link: http://www.nysphsaa.org/classification/cutoff.asp. Here are the football cut-offs:
Football
Class AA1051 & up
Class A626-1050
Class B441-625
Class C276-440
Class D0-275
Further, before “whoa” continues his or her tale of woe, here is the list of grade 10-12 enrollments for schools in Section 1 with less than 500 students.
YONKERS CAMPUS118
LEAKE & WATTS EDUC CTR137
MARTIN LUTHER KING HIGH SCHOOL162
IVES SCHOOL191
TUCKAHOE HIGH SCHOOL195
KEIO ACADEMY229
HALDANE JUNIOR SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL236
ALEXANDER HAMILTON HIGH SCHOOL240
GREENBURGH ELEVEN HIGH SCHOOL241
HAWTHORNE CEDAR KNOLLS HIGH SCHOOL247
SOLOMON SCHECHTER UPPER SCHOOL250
BLIND BROOK MS HIGH SCHOOL295
VALHALLA HIGH SCHOOL304
NORTH SALEM MS HIGH SCHOOL316
RYE NECK SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL326
WOODLANDS SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL338
BRONXVILLE HIGH SCHOOL339
PAWLING HIGH SCHOOL345
DOBBS FERRY HIGH SCHOOL346
ALBERTUS MAGNUS HIGH SCHOOL353
HASTINGS HIGH SCHOOL409
DOVER HIGH SCHOOL420
CROTON-HARMON SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL434
PUTNAM VALLEY HIGH SCHOOL435
IRVINGTON HIGH SCHOOL449
WESTLAKE HIGH SCHOOL451
BRIARCLIFF HIGH SCHOOL455
PLEASANTVILLE HIGH SCHOOL464
EDGEMONT JUNIOR SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL473
JOHN F. KENNEDY CATHOLIC HIGH SCHOOL474
RIVERSIDE HIGH SCHOOL487
Bronxville has 35 more kids in three grades than Valhalla, Dobbs has 42. Assuming that there is an even split in girls and boys, this means Bronxville has about 6 boys per grade more and Dobbs 7. Not a big difference when split across a number of sports. Woodlands has only one fewer student in 10-12 than Bronxville.
The bottom line is that the classifications are based on enrollment numbers and they vary from sport to sport. Football and other athletic programs have their ups and downs depending on a number of factors. While enrollment does play a role it is not the sole determining factor that some of the posters seem to believe.
Great research, you have proven my point. A previous psot stated that Bronxville was closer to bein a Class D school than a Class B. Trith is Bronxville for classification in five classes is a Class B. The numbers vary due to the number of teams participating in the sport. For all but a few sports Bronxville is a B school. where as Valhalla is a class C in everything. Don’t worry Valhalla will take care of business in basketball this winter, nad if they play Class B Bronxville, they will probably crush them like they did last year. with that being said Goos luck to the Broncos on their quest to get to the Dome.