Dispatches from New Ro Camp
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Hey folks, this is Josh Thomson in for Kevin. I spent a meaty four-plus hours over on the turf at New Rochelle this afternoon/evening and I just wanted to check back in with what I saw (or didn’t see):
1. No Jonny McGhee. The two-year starter was a no-show for the first day of camp. From several people I spoke to, it seemed like New Rochelle players were hopeful McGhee would return. He met with the coaching staff at some point recently, but I don’t know what came from the meeting, if anything.
2. Harrison wants to redeem itself. The Huskies went 5-4 last year, lost three games by two touchdowns or more and fell to Rye for the sixth straight time. They badly want to rebound and channel the program’s storied tradition after two straight years without a playoff win. Of course, only time will tell.
The program has installed three junior captains — Duke Alvora, Tanner Knox and Brandon Bonistall — and will not have a senior captain for what is believed to be the first time in Harrison history. Those three and coach Art Troilo Jr. had very strong words for what they expect to accomplish and why. You can read more from them in tomorrow’s paper.
3. Eastchester brought the numbers. Which program had the most players in uniform? Surprisingly, it may’ve been the Eagles. Their practice field was a sea of red. I was told 80 players were expected in uniform. Even though that number included the JV, it’s a great sign for the strength of the program.
4. Bring your cooler Friday. That’s when the camp will peak. After four days of drilling and running plays as teams and against each other, New Ro, Harrison, Eastchester, Tuckahoe, Ardsley, Briarcliff and Roosevelt will be joined by Carmel, Scarsdale, John Jay and Croton-Harmon on Friday. The teams will scrimmage from 5-8 p.m. on the three turf fields around New Ro High School. They will only compete against opponents not on their 2009 schedules, meaning Harrison will not play Eastchester and Roosevelt, Carmel will not play John Jay, etc. Still, if you want a peak at several of the area’s contenders, New Ro is your destination on Friday.
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Josh Thomson has done some of everything since joining The Journal News in March 2003. He began working for the Gannett weeklies during the winter of 2002 as a freelance writer. He joined the daily staff soon after and has since covered various high school and pro sports. Away from sportswriting, Josh lives in Westchester and spends his free time either with his wife, Sarah, or expertly managing his various championship-winning fantasy sports teams. He's visited 21 major-league baseball stadiums and insists that Fenway Park and Wrigley Field are the best by far. Josh graduated from Carmel High School in 1998, then went to Boston University, where, in 2002, he received a degree in communications with a minor in history.
Hey Josh,
What else can you tell us about how new rochelle was looking despite the fact mcghee was a no-show.
Specifically how is Lewis Edney doing ?
Sounds like serious business in the Husky camp…..
Does anyone know why Harrison has no senior captains? Is it because of poor senior leadership a small senior class or are the three juniors just great leaders?
To a man, New Ro was in incredible shape. I talked to one of the trainers and he said they are a pleasure to work with because they have such a tireless work ethic. It shows.
I only saw Edney for about an hour before he had to leave. He is tall, athletic and has a strong arm. He and the receivers had several incompletions, but not all were his fault. Drops have been an issue this summer for the New Ro receiving corps from what I could gather. I’d say Edney can be a very solid – and perhaps dynamic – QB if he can hone his accuracy and touch. He certainly has the physical tools.
new ro look a lil rusty. but you can see the talent is there and it’s a whole lot of it. edney is good but he is no mcghee. he has some of the tools but he is missing that one something and that one something separate mcghee from him.
new ro do not need mcghee to win there league and perhaps section 1 because the comp. is a joke! but they will need him to get pass monroe woodbury and win the state chip. plus he needs to redeem himself as person. and then he can ride off in the sun set.
People wondery your the joke there is plenty of comp in AA and with that said the talent that new ro has on that team without McGee plus the best coaching staff in section one equals a state title
New Ro didn’t go undefeated last year in the section and had a couple close ones.
So much for the Joke.
Josh Thompson,
This was excellent.
Sounds Like Harrison is in the destroy and rebuild mode. Building up the underclass for next year.
i agree the competition is a joke. Look at the facts New Ro goes undefeated in the regular season almost every year and when they do lose it is a monstrous fluke. They never face quality competition until the semis besides that there season is a joke. Compare it to the CHSFL where any team could lose any week. New Ro has a great shot at a state championship with a rookie QB that says something.
despite what you call an easy regular season new rochelle has beaten the best section 1 has had to offer 6 of the last 10 years. Why do the regular season opponents matter when they continue to prove themselves against worthy competition?
X,
“Compare it to the CHSFL where any team could lose any week. New Ro has a great shot at a state championship with a rookie QB that says something.”
I believe Iona in the CHSFL had a “rookie” qb last year and went undefeated in the mighty chsfl and won the championship…
Nice Harrison piece Josh…..
Q
I guess the rookie QB you are referring to in Tyrae Woodson ended up making All State and is a Division 1AA prospect. If you question the validity of the “mighty CHSFL” then you should check out the ESPN Rise preseason East Top 20 where yiu will see 2 CHSFL teams on the list which are also THE ONLY TEAMS FROM NY on the list.
I also think the competition that New Rochelle faces in section 1 is very good. Teams like Carmel, North Rockland, Mahopac and John Jay EF are a challenge for anyone.
Tanner Knox is the real deal!
ionapower,
q was not saying anything to put down TWS, simply proving X wrong
Iona Power,
I was just pointing out how iona had a rookie qb in the toughest league in NY state and and went undefeated. Samuels is one of the best QBs in the area.
HUSKER 98
let’s be for real really who in section 1 is that real deal every year besides new ro? not carmel, not north rockland, not anyone. new ro will beat those teams more than they will lose to them. and as far as they conference goes it’s bush league. the whole yonkers is a real joke, mount vernon please the biggest loser with the most talent in that conference. lets be real the only real comp. that they see is monroe and they(new ro) can’t beat them i’m just talking facts and any real coach would say give me new ro or mount vernon talent and i should at least make it to the dome 8 out of 10 trys. the lack of comp. down here is what hurts new ro. up there. the coachin is sub par in sec1 as a whole.
name a team in section1 that has new ro talent and have the coaching staff thats just as good or better than NEW RO???
10801
WHO HAS NEW RO PROVE THEM SELVES TO OUTSIDE SEC1????
NOT MONROE!!!!!!!
HUSKER 98
I WAS LOOKIN AT THE SECTION1 COMBINE RESULT AND NEW RO PLAYERS DOMINATED JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING.THEY HAD ABOUT 10 TO 12
PLAYERS RUN FROM A 4.5 TO A 4.6 FORTY ONE OF THE STRONGEST LINEMEN AND THE 2 BEST D.B.’S. TELL ME WHAT SCHOOL IN SECTION1 CAN POST THEM NUMBERS. AND THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL?
people wonder why,
New Ro and Monroe have gone down to the wire the past 3 years. Yes Monroe ended up with the win, but anyone who has watched those games knows that New Rochelle had proven themselves in the game. In 04, monroe was massacred by new rochelle, and if you want to say but they had ray rice, in 2000 they also won. New Ro Won more state playoff games this decade than most teams in the state. And to question new rochelle’s coaching is ridiculous. You wont find a hard working more respected individual in the state than coach d.
Also, I don’t understand how you can fault new rochelle for there schedule. They are forced into it, and take care of it EVERY SINGLE YEAR. 99 percent of the time, they not only win but DOMINATE. What more can you ask from them?
Edney is no Tyrae Woodson Samuels and if he was he would have started before senior year.
snd yes I am saying that Tyrae is better than McGhee
Tyrae is the best QB in the Area, not one of the best. Watch him play and tell us who is better. He reads defenses, scrambles while looking down field, nobody around here has that kind of maturity at QB. period.
And as far as being better then McGhee. That is true because McGhee is not even on a team. And Edney (forget about it!) you cant even mention those two names together.
Does anyone remember here that we are talking, critcizing & critiquing kids here? These kids read this stuff.
Section Class AA has some very good teams and New Rochelle should be proud of their accomplishments. I also feel they have been helped by being in a less balanced division than let’s say the Class AA North which has helped come playoff time. New rochelle is on the same level as Monroe and has had some tough losses. I compare this to what Iona faced against St.anthony before they beat them last year. St. Annthony had knocked out Iona the previous two years by less than 6 points in each game.
Every team has a streak and every team has down years.
Nobody challenged the credibility of New Rochelle a few years back….. all of a sudden somebody wants to curse them for falling short a few years.
Thats how it is on these blogs.
North Rockland is suddenly mediocre after over a decade of dominance.
Nyack was left for dead until last season.
Harrison is getting no respect now.
New Rochelle credibility is being doubted.
All of these schools have top tier programs in New York state. State championship juggernauts.
2 to 3 down years and all of a sudden…. people want to be critics.
who’s next?? Rye?? Dobbs?? Tuckaho??
Give me a break
Just to add
Section 1 has seen an astounding 41 state championships in the 15 year history of state tournament play, bringing 21 state titles home.
How can we compete outside of section 1 you ask??
simple, by being the envy of New York State.
Another thing I’d like to add
New Rochelle is 9-5 outside of section 1 and are 1-2 in state championships.
similar you have
Monroe-Woodbury at 10-6 outside of section 9 and 1-3 in state championships
Adding in my 2 cents. I have closely followed section 1 over the past 5 years. There has indeed been a slippage in quality in the AA teams over the past 3 years while there has been a rise in the quality in the A teams over that same period. In AA 3 years ago, you had New Ro, John Jay Cross River, Greely, North Rockland, Gorton, Ramapo who were all high caliber teams. This year, I only see Carmel and New Ro as true high caliber teams. Class A has gone the other direction. This year, you have a host of high caliber teams like last year, where you can make arguments for Ossining, Eastchester, Somers, Rye, Nyack and a few others. It is all cyclical. Also remember, with the exception of Newburgh every so often, Monroe Woodbury plays no competition at all and it has shown in the state championship games.
10960
I agree that Section 1 is respected around the State. The one problem with the whole system is the fragmented playoff system that measures Champions. I am sure LI, CHSFL, PSAL and the Buffalo Catholic feel they are the envy of the state.
I agree with Iona Power. It’s like having the superbowl with out all the teams competing. Section 1 will do great the way the system is set up now. Is that a true reflection? In my opion. No. You throw in LI, CHSFL, PSAL and Buffalo Catholic, will section 1 still have 41 championships? I doubt it. Thats not a knock on section one, just a reality check.
IonaPower,
You know how I’ll respond.
Publics should be with publics….. privates should be with privates.
Private schools have advantages.
Let me correct my self…. section 1 is the envy of NYSPHSAA.
Just to add
If I was a serious football player and I wanted good looks.
I’d prefer the CHSFL. It’s a no brainer.
from a local standpoint, section 1 is most popular but from a collegiate standpoint you gotta go with the CHSFL.
10960 and IonaPower,
I think you both have good points. I think making a Federation-like championship for football would be hard. But what I think would should be pushed is making an actual public school state champion. Let the NYPHSAA, PSAL and LI public school champions figure out who the best public school team is. LI has some great football and always has. I don’t know that most years the Section 1 champ would be the favorite over the LI champ. Also, Kennedy and others from the PSAL have been top notch for years.
Cant wait for Friday!
Very good points being thrown out there. To question or not fully respect what programs like New Ro and North Rockland accomplish year in and year out is foolish.
In terms of an public high school playoff, I actually think Sect 1 would have the most championships over the past 15 years. I watch a lot of LI football. They tend to have some dominant players but not teams(except for Floyd recently). Sect 1 is under-rated in NY state. Just my opinion.
It seems like the IonaPower / 10960 blog since Kevin is away.
Here is a game. “What If I Was To Coach The First Game Of The Season”
10960: Takes over the helms at Nyack and Nyack is upset. At the end of the game, 10960 is hung from the goal post in effigy. He is run out of town, never to come back. Coach Cas puts out a contract on him.
IonaPower: He takes Iona Prep to Giants stadium against Bergen Catholic. But he decides his team is too good to play them, he wants his Ioan Prep team to have some real competition. He wants the NY Giants to play. He feels that is the only team worthy of playing Iona Prep.
Iona Prep could scrimmage the Giants if they want! John Mara owns the Giants and I believe his kids are on Iona Prep..
the donald
i couldnt agree more if all the teams from NY were to compete for the title Section 1 wouldnt be a standout. I;m more familiar with the CHSFL and they do it right the best play the best and you also gave a legitimate opportunity to move up a league.
Also 10960
Until public and private schools compete for the State Championship there will never be a true “State Champion”
3 yards
You need to get your facts straight as I have said many times that Iona would have a tough game against Bergen Catholic. I also said that they could have a few losses during the regular season.
92 Husky
Only one Mara has played ball at Iona so I don’t know where you are getting your info.Iona has enough on their plate without worrying about playing the giants
why on earth would privates and publics compete for the same championship? publics get players from THEIR OWN TOWN!! they play other towns and that is why there is a PUBLIC school championship..
privates have a huge advantage in that they can take players from anywhere…they SHOULD be better. they duel it out against other private schools which is good and then there is a private school champion..
it seems like the CHSFL wants to prove how good they are by showing they can beat up on section 1 teams or public schools in general. We all know with the exception of New Ro and a couple other schools no one can really compete in the CHSFL.
How does it make sense for a team limited to only the players in there town to face a team that is loaded with talent with players from all over. So if the public state champion plays the CHSFL champion how can that possibly be a fair game. 8 times out of 10 the CHSFL team would probably win.
The way it is set up now is good. The CHSFL is a different brand of football yes, but that is also because they have an advantage that publics do not.
just my opinion, best of luck to Iona in representing new york against Bergen.
Friday we’ll get a look….
Any word on how the other teams are looking at the Champion camp. I heard that there will be 12 teams there on Friday. They busing in some other teams. Is that true?
Catholic schools are already competing for a State Championship with the two big ones being Aquinas and Syracuse CBA.Also New Rochelle beat a Catholic school in the round the week before the Monroe game.
I think a final four federation with the PSAL, CHSFL, LI Champ and NYS champ would be great.
10801/10960
i think that you are misunderstanding the point i’m tryin to make.
1) im not sayin anything bad about new ro per say. what i’m sayin is that. the conference is bad football overall. and it hurts them down the road in the playoff run
2) i dn’t think that monroe has the same talent as new ro. but i do believe that there coaches get more out there kids.
3)i believe that new ro coaches are good but far from great lets be honest they have a lot of talent in that school every year.
4) do you think that new ro coaches could beat monroe with monroe talent. or do you think that new ro would have a close game with monroe if monroe coaches where coachin in new ro?????
5)every new ro fan do expect new ro to lose a regular season game every year. and the reason is that they themselves do not believe that there is any comp. in there conference.
10801
are you happy watchin new ro blow every1 out every year in that horrible conference… than lose to the first team that they meet that has a real coaching staff like there’s??
to me that do not make the kids better football players. what it really does is make the kids worst. because what happens is. the bad habbits the kids pickup against these bad teams and get away with it. don’t work against a good team.
on info for harrison who informed about captains
wonder why,
To be honest I would rather see New Ro play greater competition, but that is constricted by section 1. That is a major reason why they spend so much time with iona prep and other top level schools in the off-season. However, a win is a win, and i take no less joy in seeing new rochelle earn these wins.
On the monroe issue, have you ever watched their team? The past 3 quarterbacks in their system have all been STUD athletes who would be stars on any team, and they have been blessed with a plethora of very talented and huge lineman. You are really discounting their talent level.
Finally, if its possible, find a tape and watch the opening week game between new ro and carmel, and then the section championship. The difference is day and night. That is GREAT coaching.
Here is my input on New Rochelle’s strength of schedule.
1. Does New Rochelle have some ” breaks” in the schedule where they play some Yonkers schools that just don’t have a football program. Yes. But here’s the thing. Isn’t that the case with any division ? There isn’t one league that I’m aware of anyway that is just stacked from top to bottom teams. Now maybe with the addition of Rye in A that may change but for the most part recently that hasn’t been the case.
2. However New Rochelle doesn’t just play easy ” gimme games” How bout the up and coming Carmel ? How bout North Rockland. Yes they’ve been on the down fall last few years but you can’t ever really rule them out. Mount Vernon has always seemed to play New Rochelle tough. So to say that New Rochelle is state playoff bound every year because they don’t have any strength in their schedule is out of their mind, and it’s an insult to the New Rochelle program.
3. Adding on to what a fellow blogger said. If New Rochelle was just a team with the luck of being in a weak division, how is that the last 3 years New Rochelle has come up literally as close as it gets to beating M.W and heading to the dome. Are you telling me Monroe Woodbury isn’t up to par either ?
4. And to the blogger who made a comment about the CHSFL league where ” every team has the chance to lose any given week”. Didn’t St. Anthony’s win the championship or adleast been in it for the better part of the decade ? If I’m correct then that statement doesn’t really ring true.
people wonder y,
First off, New Rochelle lost its opening game last year in triple overtime. 2nd off. They won their first round state playoff game beating lasalle 33-7.
Get your facts straight.
IonaPower,
I agree
A final four federation with the champions of the PSAL, CHSFL, LI and NYSPHSAA would be fun.
Keep in mind that NYSPHSAA has 4 different champions from four different classes. Should they play each other off before they play the federation??
Your also right about the NYSPHSAA having some private schools already. These are bottom of the barrel schools though. Good thing they’re not magnet schools like Iona Prep. The publics would all be playing for second place!!
people wonder y,
Nobody should get defensive because you make a valid post. I like your post actually but I cant say I totally agree with it, however…I kinda agree.
I get your point. I see where your getting at but thats all hearsay evidence and assumptions when you talk about the coaches that way. We cant gaurentee what ifs….If if was a fifth then we’d all be drunk.
We don’t know if the Monroe coaches would do better with New Ro talent and we don’t know if Coach D could succeed with monroe talent. Two different offensive systems. We just don’t know…..
I agree that New Rochelle plays in the easiest league but not the easiest section. The bottom line is that you gotta win out to take the section crown.
Others dispute this by throwing in the argument that I call the, “Snowball effect.” The “Snowball effect” has it that Cup cake schedules build momentum. With momentum comes confidence and with cup cakes on your scedule comes good late season health.
battle tested teams are also battle beaten teams which would hurt a league like double AA north late in the season against a snowball team.
There’s a correlation at hand as follows.
Some may say that snowball teams just happen to be the most succesful teams in section 1. It’s no secret that some people think of Nyack, New Ro, Rye, Harrison, North Rockland, Dobbsferry as historically being Snowballers.
You can counter that argument by asking how do they have state chips even state chip appearences. Sure these teams must have been battle tested come the post season right?? on average thats 2 playoff games before sections which is a third then comes 2 state playoff rounds before the dome which is a 3rd. Wouldn’t you call that 6 games of qaulity competition??
It makes for a good debate that would probably go nowhere.
I also can’t say New Ro has better talent then Monroe. Well actually in my opinion….Yea! I would say that but factually I would say that it helps to ask whether or not it’s beneficial talent that fits your offensive system.
People have a tendancy to base talent on skill players. I’m guilty of this as well but your talent is only as good as it fits your system. Some coaches prefer big strong kids, others prefer the smaller faster ones.
One thing I learned about these blogs,
Just 1 or 2 down seasons erase a decade of dominance.
Just 1 or 2 Up seasons erase a decade of mediocrity.
People “choose” to forget for the benefit of promoting their own.
10960,
I agree 100 percent. The trend seems to be to ” live in the here and now moment”
ANY WORD ON WHO LOOKS GOODS AT THE CAMP????? ALL THIS NONESENSE ABOUT WHO’S LEAGUE THIS AND THAT, COACHES SWICTHING TEAMS. AAH HHH ENOUGH ALREADY. LETS TALK ABOUT RIGHT NOW. NEW RO CAMP???
A litttle input if I may. There have been posts stating that no team has a brutal schedule week to week. I disagree, St Anthonys usually plays a team that would be a top three section 1 team on a weekly basis. Now that Iona is winning and the way the CHSFL schedules, they wont have any breathers. Its also been noted and I agree that Monroe doesnt play many tough teams besides Newburgh yet they still have beaten NewRo a few times in a row. Were they the better team? You gotta say yes because they made the plays when they had to. I do think that Dobbs the past few years have been a victim of thinking they can turn it on when they want. Theres no doubt that they have been the best team in class C in the state the past few seasons however, it seems that when they get punched in the mouth , they dont know how to react. Not trying to diss the man thats running the program now, but this doesnt happen if Skips coaching. The talent thats been on the past few Dobbs teams that have either gotten knocked out in states or beaten by Croton is superior to the teams that won Chips under Skip and Mac. And lastly, Monroe has tremendous talent. They have big, tough lineman, great quarterbacks the past few years and adequate skill players that can hurt you if the QB get too much attention. And dont forget most of MWs staff is from Westchester. I believe that MW was up 14-0 at the half in the state finals to lose to Orchard PArk
10960,
You need to get your historical facts straight. The dominance of Nyack began when Cas got there. From the late 60’s until Css got there, one county championship (1976). A lot of mediocre teams in that period. They do not even come close to North Rockland in historic terms.
how is new ro camp going? Which team looks good? I hear from a friend of mine that roosevelt looked pretty good and they should be competitive in class A. Any thoughts??
There are a number of private schools that are members of Section 1.
Lourdes and Albertus being two of them. I am somewhat ambivalent about the private schools being in the NYSPHAA playoffs.
Some of the privates utilize their athletic programs as recruitment tools for their enrollment. Some examples of this are: They build stadiums and athletic complexes funded by alumni based capital campaigns. They “recruit” the best athletes in their region to participate in their programs (some through needs based “scholarships”). They hire and fire coaches based on performance. I have no problem with these activities, in fact I think it is an intelligent, savvy and resourceful method of marketing their schools.
It also gives the athletes an opportunity to play on a virtual all star team and in some instances for them to compete against great talent week in and week out.
I do however think that this gives these schools a distinct competitive advantage on the field. Not in every year abd evert instance, but in the long term it is somewhat easier for these schools to reload with talented players year after year.
I am not sure if there is a consistent standard of how to level the playing field and if I understand it correctly different sections in NYS handle this differently. Some interpret the BEDS numbers and therefore the schools classification depending on the type of private school. For example a private that is all male is viewed differently than one who has male and female students or based on criteria around competitive comparisons.
CBA from Section 3AA and Aquinas from Section 5A have been cited as examples. CBA plays in a Section 3 league and qualifies for the Sectionals through the same criteria as everyone else. I believe by their BEDS numbers they would be a Class B or C school.
Aquinas on the other hand does not play in a league and enters the Sectionals based on a power ranking and record related to their opponents. I believe that their BEDS numbers put them in Class B.
I personnally feel that this gives Aquinas a distinct advantage in their Section. They don’t always win, but they are usually in the hunt every year.
Albany Academy from Section 2 is another example. They have been moved up a Class.
This lack of consistency in classification combined with the ability to “recruit” players from a wide geographic area are two reasons why I think privates should have a separate track to a State Title.
I am an advocate for adding Long Island and the PSAL into the current playoff system and I am not against a combined State Championship, but in my opinion there needs to be some careful study on how to make it work.
There currently is not agreement on how privates are dealt with and no energy for discussion at the State level. Therefore I am for a separate track for private schools.
As far as the State Playoffs go, that is next on the agenda. First is trying to get a uniform start date for the entire State, the other is getting the 10 game season back. After that, it will be a “federation style” tournament. Here’s why. As many bloggers have correctly stated, LI will never join the State Playoffs the way they stand now, simply because they feel their LI Championships are more valuable to them than a State Championship would be. They also start games usually a week later than the rest of NY State, and most schools have a bye week during the Jewish Holiday (when Section I for example plays games on a Thursday or Sunday – this week it’s week 2) due to the large Jewish population on the Island. That puts their LI Championship games roughly the same week as the State Championship games. They have maintained they will not push their season up by two weeks to coincide with the rest of the sections. However, since the LI Championships, CHSFL, PSAL and NYSPHSAA playoffs all end around the same time, it wouldn’t be difficult to arrange them all ending on the same weekend, then having a four-team “playoff” to determine the winner. The problem is going to be in getting all four associations to allow the teams to play a 14th and possibly a 15th game.
As far as Champion Camp goes, there are going to be four additional teams (JJCR, Carmel, Scarsdale, Croton) at Champion Camp on Friday. The teams that will scrimmage on Friday are:
Tuckahoe, Briarcliff, Ardlsey, Croton, New Rochelle, Harrison, Roosevelt, Eastchester, JJCR, Carmel, Scarsdale.
The scrimmage schedule is being finalized today, and I’ll post it on my website tonight so all those that want to come and watch will know what teams are where and when.
3 Yards and a cloud of dust,
You wrote:
“”You need to get your historical facts straight. The dominance of Nyack began when Cas got there. From the late 60’s until Css got there, one county championship (1976). A lot of mediocre teams in that period. They do not even come close to North Rockland in historic terms.””
For one thing, I only really know about the mid 90’s and up. I don’t know much about the 60’s and 70’s.
What did I say that made you write your comment???
3 yards,
In the mid to late 60’s Nyack had a string of undefeated teams that won the County Championship. From 63 or 64 through 1970 Nyack, Spring Valley and Haverstraw dominated the county. I am pretty sure Nyack was either number 1 or 2 during that timeframe every year. One of their coaches, John Beak left Nyack to become an assistant coach with the Kansas City Chiefs and was there when they won the Super Bowl. Jim Caan who played with Jim Brown at Syracuse was also a coach at Nyack during part of this time.
Nyack did have a drop off in the late 70’s and early 80’s.
Nyack, Spring Valley and North Rockland (Haverstraw) had some classic battles during that era. I can remember games at Spring Valley and Haverstraw where the fans could not fit in the stands. Fans were sitting on the rocks at Spring Valley and watching from outside the fence at the old Haverstraw High School and McCalman Field.
Nyack is definately on par with North Rockland (Haverstraw) in historical terms. They may not be better, but they are certainly up there.
Someone mentioned Max Bowman the former WCC football coach in an earlier entry. When he attended Nyack College he was an athletic trainer and helped coach at Nyack High School.
In discussing the potential for a state championship two things jump into mind. First is, if we truly aspire to make the football reputation of our state credible, we must work to make this happen. Secondly, the season would have to be extended, as was previously said, by at least one or two games. This, of course, would only effect a handfull of schools each year.
For those that make the argument that it would not be “fair” to match privates vs publics it’s all kids from the same state. Privates, by design, have qualifying restrictions that don’t allow all students to attend. This alone keeps many students, including athletes, in their respective public schools despite the FACT they wish to go somewhere else. There are coaches with broken hearts every year because their admissions departments have rejected some “stud” because of academics. I can’t speak for all schools but I understand Iona has had 100% college (four year) acceptance for over thirty years. You don’t do that without saying “sorry but no” to lots of students and families. The reality is this puts privates at a great disadvantage. I am sure that Iona is prouder of this record than the handful of championships received over the same period.
By CHSAA rules transfering students INCLUDING PUBLIC TO PRIVATE, must sit out any sport previously played for one year before competing. This again puts those schools at a tremendous disadvantage when families call (after ninth grade) to transfer their sons and are confronted with the reality of their decision. Why do these schools seemingly shoot themselves in the foot with this rule? They want to make sure that the student is transfering for the right reason, ACADEMICS. Publics better hope that the CHSAA dosen’t have a change of heart on this because the number of families investigating this option each year is a larger number than any of them choose to admit.
Assuming that the student qualifies academically there is the question of money. Whatever the tuition cost, roughly $8,000-$35,000, families, as a rule, must submit confidential statements to see if they qualify for financial aid. Students may also qualiffy for academic scholarship, regardless of family income. To the best of my knowledge these are the only two ways that a student can get a break on tuition in CHSAA schools. By rules no school can give an “athletic scholarship”. There are many alumni at all these schools that contribute to funds to support these efforts. I dare say inner city schools like Cardinal Hayes (over 95% to college each year) couldn’t survive without alumni who have long left those neighborhoods, but beleive in what their school taught them and continue to teach.
I have said this before (apologize for being redundant)but by stating that privates have it over publics your insinuating that the privates are better schools than publics and I don’t think that this is the point you are trying to make. I truly beleive that those who choose to pay any money above their current school taxes, to attend any other school for athletics, as their first priority, is a very small number. Conversely, ALL private school families pay every penny of public school taxes despite the fact that their children don’t attend. If for some reason they all decided to return to public, what do you think would happen to your current taxes?
Be careful what you wish for.
Its Real interesting how some guys get on this blog with fallacies and expect everyone to believe their an expert. For the record, granted New Ro usually dominates their respective league its not for lack of competition. White Plains, Mt, Vernon, Gorton offer them formidable challenges most years tis is why they dominate the rest of the section.
Most of last year White plains was ranked in the top five in the section. Prior to last year Mt. Vernon had the third best record in the section and Gorton was in the top 10 so the premiss that there is no competition in aa-league-south is ridiculous. Give credit where credit is due New rochelle’s staffworks very hard to get the most out of there kids every year. Lets just see where the chips fall at the end. For the best thing about high school football is you never know who is the best until the end.
WingTGuy,
You bring up a great name in Coach Caan. He was a tremendous coach and a great individual. His son Jimmy who played for Clarkstown South in the early 80’s is one of the most underrated great football players ever to come out of Rockland County. He was a tremendous running back and had a very good career at Rutgers. Spring Valley always had competitive teams in the late 60’s and early 70’s. Here is a list of the Rockland County PSAL champions from the 70’s:
1970 – Suffern
1971 – North Rockland
1972 – North Rockland
1973 – Clarkstown North
1974 – Clarkstown South
1975 – Nyack
1976 – North Rockland
1977 – North Rockland
1978 – Clarkstown South
1979 – Suffern
Hey I was born in 84. No way can I know anything about those years unless I learn from you guys. I never said anything about Nyack dominating those years but Wing T Guy just made it obvious that Nyack held their own.
Throw in the 90’s and 2000’s and Nyack is top 5 one of the most dominating programs in New York State Class A and I have the numbers to prove it!!!!
Does anyone know when the game schedules come out, and if they have come out already where can I find it, because I haven’t been able to find it so far.
10707,
In some ways your post confirms some of my points. The CHSAA does not represent all of the private schools in NYS. If they did then there would be some consistency in issues like transfers, etc. Some of the upstate privates don’t have these same rules.
On the issue of fairness.
The fact that all of the players are from the same state does not seem to have any correlation to the competitive advantage that I mentioned.
The issues that you raise (tuition, academic standards, etc) don’t seem to have an affect on this issue either. There has been a case made by an Iona supporter that Iona may have 5 or 6 players in the top 11 in the entire Section. If this is the case and it may be, it appears that a significant percentage of the top players in the Section go to private schools. His analysis did not include players from other privates.
I am sure there are some “studs” that do not make the cut, but it seems enough of them do. This is also the case for several upstate schools who make the same claims.
My point is not to say that it is not “fair”; it is to say that there needs to be some consistent and equitable manner of classifying privates before I would be in favor of a universal all in playoff system.
I think the proposal that Keith spoke about that develops a federation type playoff system makes much more sense. I have heard all of the issues about LI joining a statewide system and this may be the only way to get them to sign on as well.
I am not sure that I understand your last point. The case that I tried to make about private schools having a competitive advantage does not in any way insinuate that they are better or worse schools than publics. You will have to explain the logical progression that got you there.
I am not making a value judgement on private schools. I have great respect for private schools and could debate the pros and cons of private and public education with you, but I am not sure anyone else on this blog would find it all that interesting.
Top 3 programs in New York State tournament Class A History…Class A dominance.
Nyack is 10-4 in state tournament play with 2 of 3 state championships off of 6 section championships.
Rochester Aquinas is 13-2 in state tournament play winning 4 of 4 State championships off of 6 section championships.
Amsterdam is 8-5 in state tournament play winning 1 of 1 state championships off of 6 section championships. They also are 3-0 in class B state play winning a state chip and sectional there as well.
Again this is Class A were talking about.
Notables are Vestal and Jamestown and Yorktown.
Nyack is 2-1 against Amsterdam. Nyack is 0-1 against Aquinas.
Here’s something interesting…..In 2004 Nyack and Amsterdam were the top 2 class A teams that were both defeated back to back by Walkill. Yikes!! In those days, losing to section 9 was a disgrace!!!
Take the “Private School” Rochester-Aqunas out of the scenario and Nyack is the number 1 Class A program in New York state History. Fact. As far as Public schools go, Nyack already is!!!
Go Indians!!!
I agree that Nyack has been the number 1 class A program in NY state history, however New Rochelle with its run this decade is not to far behind Nyack.
And As far as state tournament records are concerned I would have to put New Rochelle into that category as well. Maybe not ahead of the teams mentioned by 10960 in the previous post, but adleast an honorable mention.
Ive calculated New Rochelle’s state tournament record to the best of my memory their record is 7-5 ( 1-2 State Championship). Three of the Five loses have gone down to the wire with Monroe Woodbury. You switch the loses to wins and New Rochelle has a 10-2 State tournament record. However a 7-5 state tournament record is nothing to sneeze at.
LetsGoNewRo
Try here for the schedules
http://sportspakdb.lhric.org/mainindex.asp
You have to put in the school, sport, level and change the dates on the upper left hand side.
Sorry the dates are on the upper right hand side.
A little dyslexia there.
WingTGuy,
Thanks a lot ! Very much appreciated !
10801
the monroe q.b.’s has not beat new ro. and those big lineman on offense didn’t beat new ro. from what i remember all the game was close. what really happen is that monroe defense shut down new ro. offense. it wasn’t monroe offense that did anything. and really thats where monroe stud player have been at.i will take new ro off. players
vsmonroe def. and i am willing to bet that new ro has had more scholarship player in those three years than monroe has had. p,walker/ m, rice/ wagstaff/ jeff,williams/ t., williams/ solomon need i say moreI know this is a little late, but Monroe Woodbury has great football players period. To say otherwise is ludicrous. If you go position by postion they will match up with anyone. Their coaches are very good as well. Just that simple.
New Rochelle has great coaches of their own. Yes there are some great athletes but great athletes do not make great football players. Just go look at Mt. Vernon for that.
But to try and defend New Ro Coaches by saying AA South is a strong league, that too is a ludicrous statement. Period.
For the AA fans, the last two years have been pretty sad. I agree with one of the other posters who said the last time AA was competetive was 2006. Seems so long ago. Hopefully 2009 will bring some great battles back to where the best football is played, AA!
lets go newro
please tell what facts that i have wrong??
do really think that carmel has more talent than new ro??
please respond.
do you think that north rockland is better than new ro?
do you think gorton, lincoln can beat new ro?
m.v. gorton, carmel, north rockland all they do is make there death more painful! you are fooling yourself to think that those teams are better. im realistic and i do know what talent looks like, i know what athleticism looks like, i know what hard work looks like, and i know good coaching when i see it.
just facts
you do not see what the problem is with mount vernon!?
the varsity coaching staff is the worst in the whole westchester county and that include anybody thats coaching anything that has a football as part of the game.
football gods
are you crazy!!!
gorton, lincoln , roosevelt, mount vernon, white plains was a conference at one point. thats not real football!
p.s. i will take my chances in that conference as coach with a bunch of youth football players.
people wonder y
wouldn’t you say that the New Ro coaches gotta be doing something right??
I mean, there are talented programs that go nowhere. I’d have to give credit to coaches that actually do something with the talent they’re fortunate to have.
Last seasons game between New Rochelle and Monroe-Woodbury displayed excellent coaching especially defensively. The game was 10-8. These are teams that averaged 30+ all season.
people wonder why,
unfortunately i think your definition of talent is much to racially based.
and you didn’t respond to my point about the improvement of new rochelle from the opening game to the section championship. How did they go from losing in overtime to blowing carmel out? Explain that to me.
And people wonder why, lets look at the three monroe games.
2006
In this game I agree, New Rochelle’s offense was shut down, with their only td coming through special teams. However, this is where your talent comments fail, because even coach direinzo acknowledges monroe’s 06 defense as the best defense he has ever faced. On a few occasions, the BACKSIDE END ran down a back on toss. If you don’t think that was a talented defense you truly don’t know football.
2007
This game is where your argument really fails. Despite the low score, the offenses actually fared well in this game. The low score was due to the multiple long drives of both teams. New Rochelle rushed for 234 yards, and Monroe had around 240. The game came down to a late game mistake which has been discussed enough around here.
2008
From this years game I can understand your argument slightly, as New ro did not have offensive success. However looking back on the 08 season, new ro struggled running the ball the entire year and did not really have an offensive identity. And as far as coaching goes, the defensive gameplan for new ro was flawless. They held monroe to season lows in yardage and points. If not for another event discussed many times around here, new ro goes to the dome from their gameplan.
I just don’t see where you are forming your argument from. Instead of making claims, why don’t you back them up with reasons as to why you believe their coaches aren’t great or the other teams talent aren’t as good
Here are the yearly records, overall records, and winning percentages of every school that has played Class AA football the last 5 years, from 2004-2008. Check out the numbers and you guys decide where the teams fall.
Rank Team W-L W-L W-L W-L W-L T.W-L W%
1 New Rochelle 11-1 7-3 9-1 10-1 10-2 47-8 0.855
2 JJCR 8-29-1 8-2 7-3 32-8 0.800
3 North Rockland 8-2 11-1 7-3 8-2 6-4 40-12 0.769
4 Mahopac 6-47-3 5-4 6-3 7-3 31-17 0.646
5 Carmel 8-23-6 6-3 6-3 7-3 30-17 0.638
6 JJEF 3-66-3 5-4 5-4 9-1 28-18 0.609
7 Gorton 5-48-2 6-3 5-4 2-6 26-19 .578
8 Ramapo 5-45-4 5-4 4-5 7-3 26-20 0.565
9 Ketcham 4-5 6-3 6-3 4-5 5-4 25-20 0.556
10 Mt. Vernon 7-3 3-6 6-3 7-3 2-7 25-22 0.532
11 Greeley 8-2 2-7 10-9 0.526
12 Clarkstown South 4-4 5-4 5-4 6-4 3-6 23-22 0.511
13 Yorktown 5-4 3-6 3-5 7-3 18-18 0.500
14 Poughkeepsie 6-4 6-4 2-6 14-14 0.500
15 White Plains 6-4 5-4 2-7 3-6 6-4 22-25 0.468
16 Mamaroneck 5-4 4-6 1-7 7-3 5-5 22-25 0.468
17 Scarsdale 1-8 4-5 5-4 2-7 12-24 0.333
18 Arlington 2-7 4-5 1-8 1-8 6-3 14-31 0.311
19 Clarkstown North 0-9 3-6 2-7 4-5 4-5 13-32 0.289
20 Roosevelt 2-7 3-6 1-7 2-6 4-5 12-31 0.279
21 Suffern 5-4 1-8 2-7 1-8 1-8 10-35 0.222
22 Lincoln 1-8 3-6 2-7 0-8 0-9 6-38 0.136
23 Saunders 0-8 1-8 2-7 1-8 4-31 0.114
And yes, I had nothing better to do tonight because there were a couple of changes to the scrimmage schedule for Champion Camp on Friday. I will update the schedule on the website by 12:00 pm on Friday for all the fans that are coming to New Rochelle to watch some great high school football action!
10801
I never said that new ro coaches did not know what they where doing. i said that they where good, but not great. i expect them to be champs my self every year because.1) they are a program 2)they have talent 3) they have good coaches.
10801
please explain your defintion of rasically based talent.
outisde of new ro and mount vernon who else do you see that have talent every year? you have agreed that new ro has talent every year. i have never said that gorton, lincoln, or roosevelt have talent. which according to you are schools that are rasically base talented.
10801
it wasn’t carmel talent that beat new ro!
it was new ro blowing coverages that even made it a game.
10801
i can agree that M.W. 06 defense was good but much of it had to do with coaching. and the scheme they where running to best use there talent. thats very good coaching.
07 new ro should have won that game in the third qtr. they stop giving the walker kid the ball and bad play calling by new ro brought about that play that cause them the game and by the way the game was played from the 35 to 35 all game
08 new ro lost that game when they decide to except that regular season victory stunt against j.j. because if the coach would have bench him the next week for a qtr or half a game for what he did. what happen in m.w. would have never took place.
and i just don’t see them (coaches) as being “great” in a league like this. it’s nothing there to challenge them as coaches. there only challenge to me is M.W.and we know what the result have been. since 05 the only real thing new ro has done is when the section chip which should be a small thing after you are state chip program. and as far they winning perct. that mr. fagan has given us you have to look at how many of those WINS where against EQUAL TALENT OR BETTER. how many of those wins where they trailing and came back and won?
HAS NEW RO EVER BEAT A TEAM THAT WAS BETTER THAN NEW RO??????????????????PLEASE ANSWER
People Wonder Y,
I just caught some comments between you and Lets Go New Ro,
You ask the question “do you really think Carmel has more talent than NewRo?”
Doesn’t that answer depend upon the particular year and the particular position you are discussing? Why would that be so far fetched for Carmel HS to have more talent than NRHS for a specific year and position.
I’m not even sure what you mean by talent.
I’d like to think the reason New Ro has such a good program is because the kids develop their skills, they have a good work ethic and they have a great coaching staff plus all the other variables that are thrown into the mix. The kids love playing football at New Rochelle High School.
Again, I don’t understand why it would be so far fetched for Carmel or any school north of New Rochelle to have better players.
People wonder y,
John Jay was overloaded in 2006. They had a fierce passing attack and a bruising fullback. They went up on New Rochelle that year late in the fourth qaurter. New Rochelle scores a touchdown with just over a minute left in the game to win.
I admit that New Rochelle had Paris Walker and Markel Rice that year but you gotta give the coaches credit for constructing the late surge.
You seem to be implying that the Coach D success is due to a very talented pool of players.
What I was saying is that it is uncalled for to called for to call teams a joke. Yes new ro has the most talent and the best coaching staff but if they sleep on the likes of carmel north roc and jjef they can be beat forty times and bench press is great thing to have but in H.S. Football ill take the kid with the most hart
CARMEL BEAT NEW RO LAST YEAR—
WHY MAKE EXCUSES—YOU SOUND VERY FOOLISH….Looking at the records that Keith provided. I look at Clarkstown North (13 – 32), you would think with a record like that, they would have a new coaching staff, but NOOOO! I am a big North supporter, but that is absolutely disgusting. Hats off the the athletic director Tess Brogen, The clueless wonder! She does an incredible piss poor job. She is about as useful as you know what on a bull. The saying at Clarkstown North is “The program where good athletes come to die”. Hell, Franco Cuts could have coached those teams to a (13 -32) record. It will be the same old SH…this year. This coach had a very good team 2 years ago but his inept play calling and schemes sucked the life right out of the team. The head coach must go along with his ass clown coaching staff. Thanks everyone for letting me vent, now back to our scheduled programming.
WingTGuy,
Sorry for the late resonse.
The fact that my post “confirms” many of your points is because there are many points, you make that I don’t disagree with.
My statement regarding players from NYS and a NYS champion was simply that. If we are seeking something different than what we now call state champion than the challenge we face is to include those who currently choose or for what ever reason, don’t take part both public and private. They all compete in NYS.
What I was having a problem with in your piece was how the privates have the “advantage” at every turn. You make it sound like every student approached by a private would jump at the opportunity to attend. When you draw that conclusion some may get the impression that you’re making the case that, because of this perceived “advantage”, privates are better and I think we both agree that this is not the case in every circumstance. Many times a qualified student chooses not to attend a private because the family believes that their local school has more to offer both academically and athletically.
Your point about the possibility of 5 or 6 IP players maybe being considered for super 11 is always the stuff of great debate but until it happens 3 or 4 years in a row I wouldn’t worry about any trend taking place here. This is still a team with three championships in 41 years. At this point, I would not place those numbers in the advantage catagory.
By the way, IP’s forensics team is very often nationally ranked. They all come from different towns and cities but I don’t think that the “team” was an advantage in their choosing the school. More importantly I don’t think any of them play football.
I also agree with your last statement.
Brewster going to be good next. There going to beat Somers 63-0. U watch we have the best line in section one trust me. U better Watch out Tony Dematteo Brewster is going to mess Somers up.
I like how guys comment on coaching, kids and all this other stuff. Most of you probably don’t even know what it takes to be a high school coach, excuse me a successful high school coach. Most of you probably never even suited up in this sport much less dominated at any level. With that be said if you knew what it took to dominate at this level you would shut your trap. To be even some what succesful a lot of things have to fall in place. By the way lets not forget they ran Coach D out of New Ro the first time he was there everybody seems to forget that part. Remember these are kids here and the goal is to win football games its more important to mold men. So remember coaching isn’t always “W”s. I hear someone comment about Clarkstown North they might not always win but are the graduating kids are they going on to be productive citzens. So when you talk about how good a coach is consider all the factors. Wonder Y said that Mt. Vernon has the worst coaches in all of westchester, yet They graduate 99% of the kids involved in the program I’m sure they would love to be new ro and win section championships. But I guarantee you those families who are from that rough community and see the impact the coaches have on their children are not complaining. So until you’ve been to these communities and seen the demographics in which they all face you should do just that KEEP YOU TRAP SHUT!!!!!
people wonder y,
So are you telling me that Ryan Schilling, who most likely be a super 11 had nothing to do with the outcome of week 1 ?
C’mon Carmel came to play and got the better of New Rochelle.
You make it seem like New Rochelle hasn’t had a real challenge in a few years, maybe you haven’t watched New Rochelle football all that long but their has been quite a few heart stopping games. And the part where I said you needed to get your facts straight, you claimed that New Rochelle year after year blows out the competition in the regular season then loses in the first round of the states. Like I said, your wrong. Take last year. Their first round game was against LaSalle and they beat them 33-7.
People wonder y..
Quit while your behind…..WAY WAY WAY behind.
You look like your making up points as you go along, and you have 0 facts to back it up
people wonder y,
How can you say that in 07 New Rochelle had bad call playing to lose the game ? If Mcghee doesn’t fumble the ball inside the 20, the game is over ! And in 08 your statement there is purely on what if’s. Why is it that you are having so much trouble giving other team the credit for a W. And as far is the coaches not being great because they don’t have a challenge and can’t beat Monroe Woodbury, heres a history lesson for you. Before the last 3 games between each other New Rochelle spanked Monroe Woodbury twice before. 42-0 in the last meeting before leading up to the trilogy with MW coming out on top.
I just don’t see what people wonder why uses as a definition for talent. There are many different types of football talents, and he seems to just assume that mt vernon and new rochelle will always be more talented no matter what. Please go watch the monroe 2006 defense, that was not a coaching scheme, that defense was pure TALENT. And you STILL have not explained to me how new ro went from losing in triple ot to blowing carmel out. but let me answer that question for you; the team improved through GREAT coaching.
If you really want to know how valuable new ro’s coaching staff is, go look at how many games they won for the seasons coach d was at pace.
People wonder y,
And just to respond on your remark of ” Carmel didn’t win that game it was New Rochelle’s blown coverage that even made it a game”
Last time I checked, the ball doesn’t magically appear in the wide outs hands when they’re suddenly open. The quarterback still has to get the ball their accurately. Which is Execution. Carmel displayed it when it counted.
So stop being foolish and give credit where the credit was do. Look I’m a HUGE New Rochelle fan and even I can say, that day Carmel executed better, did what they had to do when it counted and won the game, it wasn’t handed to them like you claim it was.
Football Gods:
You make valid points.
Here are my creditentials:
Played football at Clarkstown South
Played football at Springfield College
Defensive coordinator at Longmeadow High School in MA. for 4 years.
I am not a rocket scientist, but I know my X’s and O’s and I know how to mold young men. When you play at the varsity level, it is about winning. I have stated this point before, high school football is about coaching period. A great coach gets the most out of his players. A great coach can take a mediocre team and make them competetive. And I think kids deserve at least that. I have seen enough of the culture of losing at Clarkstown North that the kids deserve better. Go talk to the coaches around section 1 about Clarkstown North. You will not hear very many complementasry things said about the coaching staff.
Monroe Woodbury vs. New Ro 2006, if you watch Monroe Woodbury Middle Line Backer play, you will not see a h.s. kid play a better football game at the line backer position. Though he did not win MVP, he dominated that game. If anyone knows how his career turned out college wise, that would be interesting to know.
The Coach that replaced Coach D at New Ro the first time around was inept. Most will agree with that. However, no one here needs to defend Coach D or his staff’s abilities, 3 Section Titles in a row speak for themselves.
Serious question. Except when Clarkstown North had Keith Bullock, when else did they ever have good teams? I think during Bullucks time they had winning records, but for the longest time their teams have always done bad. And they have had talent through those years. In the late 80’s they 3 kids that played together go D-1 and yet they always had a losing record. Is it the parents? The water? I do not know. They have good youth football programs so it is interesting that the varsity team does not have more success.
3 Yards and a cloud of dust,
Why not do something about it. Sign on as a volunteer assitant. Sounds like you have the back round to do it. Just don’t go in thinking your going to run the team. I find a lot of former players on this blog complaining about the same thing.
U guys r saying New Rochelle is good. Brewster better. We can beat New Rochelle. Brewster going to be section 1 champs this year
Take it easy on North fellas. They have never had the talent to be a middle of the road team in their own league let alone AA. You can put that on the coaches if you want but North football is sorta like North in hoops, they might have some kids that are the ” Big Men” in their town but they just aint good enough to play with the elite teams in section 1. I played in college with a kid from North and although this was 15+ years ago he pretty much knew that when they played against a NRoc or Roosevelt(YO) that it wouldnt have mattered if Knute Rockne was coaching. Three yards and a cloud…... its obvious that you dont mind having your info out there , why dont you apply for the position?
Clarkstown North had tremendous teams in the 70’s and into the early 80s with Ed Ruppert. Then they had a 3 year span in the mid 90’s with Keith Bullock. I believe during that 3 year span they only lost 5 games and 3 of them to those great North Rockland teams with Becker as the QB for North Rockland.Unfortunatley in the Clarkstown School district, unless you are a teacher in the district, they will not allow you to coach. They hire within. If I didn’t have to put in 10 hour days at work, I would love to coach again.
Rileygirl,
You will like this:
My college teammates at Springfield College:
Hank Hughes (Defensive Coordinator at UCONN)
Tim Murphy (Head Coach at Harvard)
Steve Spagnuolo (We all know who he is)
I still talk to all of them once in a while. In fact I talked to Spagnuolo over the winter, asked him if he needs any help with St. Louis, just give me a call. I guess he didn’t take me up on the offer. LOL.
Is football the primary sport at Clarkstown North??
What if the school studs are lacross players or soccer players, baseball players or basketball players??
In your town, football has to be popular to draw the interest of the village athletes.
10960:
Usually, the best players from Clarkstown North also played for the Valley Cottage Indians. About 75% of there all county players usually played for them. But they generally only make up about 15% of the team. It is what we like to say is the “New City Syndrome” where the parents of kids who are good athletes have there kids play baseball, soccer, tennis or golf. They feel football is too violent and give football a bad rap. There are a host of kids in that high school who could play football, but mom and dad either will not allow it or never exposed them to it.
3 yards and a cloud of dust
You can work and still help out. If your not getting paid anytime you give will be appriciated. This can include scouting, off season coditioning (can be done after 6pm), fund raising, film breakdown. There are plenty of things you can do as a volunteer to help build a program.
Work with the youth football leauge to help build a strong feeder program. If theres a will, theres a way
3 Yards thanks for the info. Was the 70’s when Clarkstown was combined? I do not know but I have heard that Clarkstown use to be one HS then they split to North and South. When was this?
I have met Ed Ruppert. Very nice guy. Never seen him play, but he was a scab player when the NFL went on strike. Not too shabby.
I think when you start bringing the arguments about the scared parents and the best athletes not playing football at Clarkstown North, you start to see how the Coach has saved his job throughout some bad years. I would agree at some point enough is enough. Hopefully they will play well and you will not hear this argument again for a while anyway.
Just a Fact:
The Clarkstown Schools split up in 1972 into North and South. I have to tell you that if the kept that schoool into one during that period, they would have been the dominent force in football, not North Rockland. Back in that time when I played, you had 120 kids playing at all levels for each school, that is a total of 240 players. Imagine if they stayed one school. But they had to split it up, you had 2,000 students in each school. North won the championship in 1973, South in 1974 and 1978 and North lost the championship game to North Rockland in 1977.
One last thing before the weekend:
I have seen alot of pad scrimmages that teams have been having thru out Rockland County this summer. I am very impressed with Albertus Magnus. They have some quality players and they look hard nose on defense. They are going to give teams fits in class C this year. They also have a very good QB who has a good pocket presence and he can move.
I am going to make it a point of catching some of there games this year.
3 yards..I agree with almost all of your points. In terms of North, they had a legitimate shot to make some noise when Schuster was there a few years ago. He was a talent that is not seen to much in North. But lets also remember the QB went down, so that didn’t help
Overall I am not sure they will ever be good. It is not a priority. I don’t agree with the parents not letting them play thing. Most of those kids that I knew back in the day wouldn’t have been good anyway!
In the end, the coach may not be good, but I strongly believe he isn’t working with too much.
Oh and “football gods” were you being serious when you said MV football graduates 99% of their players. No offense but you are clueless. The whole school only graduates 74% of their students. If this coach had that much of an impact, he should be the principal, vice principal, Director of Curriculum, etc, instead of just a coach.
I do not want to continue this North thing but to say North does not have talent does not seem right. I have seen some very good football players go through their program. Depth could be a question. The culture of losing certainly manifests. I believe they have enough athletic kids to compete with most of AA. The coach does not have enough to play with the big dogs year end year out, but .289 winning % over the last 5 years? At some point you can not blame the kids.
North should be a lot closer to these numbers:
(Footnote: Keith Fagan last 5 years AA results)
Rank Team W-L W-L W-L W-L W-L T.W-L W%
12 Clarkstown South 4-4 5-4 5-4 6-4 3-6 23-22 0.511
I am so sick and tired of reading posts about teams from the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s. Whose the best historically? How good was their team in the 60’s? its BS and i cant read it anymore. Can we please talk about the here and now of section 1 football.
3 yards…
I have not seen any Rockland teams this summer. I’ll catch most during the season. Would like to hear about other Rockland teams you have seen thus far.
Just a Fact… let’s be realistic, you can name the best North players who made a serious impact in HS football on one hand. Yes they had the ultimate star in Bullock, but overall they are not churning out All section players. Now with that being said, I do agree with you that the coach has a lot to do with the overall success. The system/systems being run are poor and the fact that they are a bottom team with a nice population is sad
10801
i have ask you multiple question and you have not answered any of them. but you say that i don’t talk with facts i’m reaching.
I keep stating that i am not saying that new ro coaches are not good, i am saying they are not great!!!
and i don’t see why that bothers you. i have stated why i say that and anyone that knows how to coach football can see what i’m saying.
?) tell me the last time that new ro has not had talent on the field?
IM WITH STUPID
NO! YOU SHOULD QUIT, BECAUSE YOU DN’T HAVE CLUE!
U WANT A FACT TO WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING…... ASK ANYONE THAT WAS AT THE CHAMP CAMP. CARMEL, JOHN JAY, DIDN’T HAVE A FIGHTERS CHANCE. YOU KNOW Y! mr. im with stupid.
” TO MUCH FREAKN TALENT!!!!!!! ”
LETS GO NEWRO
SO ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT IT WAS CARMEL TALENT THAT BEAT NEW RO OR WAS IT THAT NEW RO COACHES GOT OUT COACH????? OR SIMPLY THAT NEW RO WHERE BLOWIN COVERAGES THAT LOST THE GAME. BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW THW SECOND TIME AROUND IT WASN’T CLOSE AND IT WASN’T THAT CARMEL GOT WORST OR NEW RO COACHES PLAYED IN THE GAME. NO! IT WAS THAT NEW RO DIDN’T BLOW THEIR COVERAGES. AND REMEMBER SCHILLIN AND THE REST OF CARMEL PLAYERS PLAYED THE SECOND TIME AROUND.
LETS GO NEW RO
FIRST OF ALL THE RAY RICE YEARS WHERE A SPECIAL TIME FOR THE STATE OF NEW YORK. BECAUSE THERE HAS NOT BEEN A TEAM IN MY MEMORY THAT HAS PRODUCE MORE DIV1 PLAYERS AND A POSSIBLE 3TO4 N.F.L. PLAYERS THATS A SPECIAL TIME THERE IS NO ARGUING THAT TIME!!
2) I AM QUESTIONING IF CARMEL MADE THE RIGHT PLAYS. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FOOTBALL TALENT AND GOOD COACH OR GREAT COACH!
10960
YES, THAT IS WHAT IMPLYING. THAT HIS SUCCESS IS DUE TO A VERY TALENTED POOL OF PLAYERS.AND GOOD COACHING!
I AM GETTING FLACK BECAUSE I WILL NOT SAY HE IS “GREAT”
10801,10960,GO NEWRO,JUST A FACTS,FOOTBALL GOD
FAN, HUSKER 98
TO ALL WHO HAVE QUESTION WHAT I WAS SAYING
DID ANY OF YOU GO TO THE CHAMP CAMP SCRIMMAGES!
THERE WAS REALLY NO COMP. THERE FOR NEW RO THEY DID WHAT THEY WANTED TO J.J.,CARMEL,AND EASTCH. ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY WENT SPREAD YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN THEY EYES AND THE GRUMBLING FROM THE FAN AND SOME OF THE COACHES. WHEN NEW RO WENT SPREAD ALL THOSE TEAM WHERE LIKE SITTING DUCKS WAITING TO GET PLUCK! LIKE I HAVE ALWAYS SAID NOT ENOUGH TALENT IN SECTION1 AA FOR NEW RO. TEAMS EITHER HAVE COACHES OR TALENT ISSUES.
KATY
DELASALLE
NORTHWEST
GOOD COUNSEL
FRIENDLY
BRYNES DUNCAN
SANFORD
POLY PREP
SCHOOLS WITH “GREAT” COACHING
Y, I will give you this, some people like Devaney are on Coach D’s jock. In Devaney’s mind and a lot others he can do no wrong. But winning does that for you. Coach D by winning so much has earned that respect. To argue different is futile and you look like you have an axe to grind.
I understand New Ro has good talent this year. But listen talent can dry up quick. Look at North Rock and Roosvelt. Do you think any of their alumni thought this would happen to their beloved teams in this decade? NEVER!
Also, what happened to New Ro’s unbelievable talent in 2005 when they went 7-3 and did not win the section? Plus a lot of people on here including myslef have stated many times that Section AA has been weak the last couple of years. There used to be a time where White plains was good every year, Roosevelt was a dominating force, North Rockland, Mahopac, Carmel, Mt. Vernon, even a scrub school like Scarsdale all had very competitive teams.
You are just seeing purple, you only think talent is in New Ro. You are out of your mind. There is talent all over this section. People have brought teams of recent past stacked and easily comparable with New Ro’s talent if you go position by position, and you do not want to give those teams credit. 10801 thought you did not want to give those teams credit because some of them are mostly white kids and you refuse to acknowledge their talent. Hopefully it is because you are young and you know no better. But here it is again go position by position for the last three years with Monroe Woodbury, go to 2006 and 2007 John Jay team and go position by position, do the same thing Carmel last year, these teams stack up and some have more talent than New Ro.
My advice open up your mind and stop seeing purple.
As long as Coach D is there NewRo will continue to be a top program in the section. We saw what happened when he left. Another example is Skip at Dobbs , he took over a team that had the state record for consecutive losses, wins 40+ in a row and had section 1 been in the Tournament he would have a lot more than the couple he has now. Obviously Dobbs has maintained some level of success but its my opinion that the farther away they get from Skip the higher the chances become that they become more like a HAstings
Three yards….... I went to a prep school in Mass. after graduating from my school in section 1 and we played Harvard Freshman( when Freshman werent eligible in Ivy), Holy Cross JV right after the Lockbaum era, and a few other pretty good schools in Mass. We played WPI and beat them in a tough game after having a 3 td lead, the next week we played Springfield JV. Our coach told us that we beat a bunch of kids (WPI) that were gonna be scientists and that in playing Springfield we would be playing a bunch of kids that went to school to play football. This was 17 years ago and I remember that quote like it was yesterday.
Hughes has put together a great D in Storrs. Turning Butler into a first round talent and churning out a lot of underrecruited kids into Pros . Could you tell that the guys you played with would be solid leaders as coaches?
just a fact
im not implying that no one has any talent. i said enough talent to be able to reload like new ro.
i was stressing to 10801 that coach d is not great. but i think he is good. and that his talent pool is very deep. and that other schools in section1 could not match the (talent pool) that new ro has. and the ones that could (mt.vern) coaches where very bad. making it alot easier for them to dominate. and i just giving him facts as to y i see it that way. white/ black it does not matter if you got talent than you go it.
did you see that great q.b. from carmel and the rest of his team just didn’t have enough talent on both sides of the ball for new ro and personally carmel didn’t have enough talent on the field last yearand it was evident in the rematch. few less blown coverages and it was not a game!!!!!
and that was at the end of the season. by then teams usually have gotten better
people wonder why,
I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree, because you can talk to any coach in the section, and multiple college coaches, and every single one will tell you coach d is a great coach. And why do you think good teams get better by the end of the season??? That is coaching my friend, you don t magically just get better. Last year some might consider coach d’s best coaching job ever, because new rochelle really did not have great talent in their backfield. From beginning to end that team improved ten fold.
I was at champion too yesterday, and you are right new ro began to do some spread things. Also, if you really do know your football you would notice that their entire offense is different, a direct result of COACH D working to become a more dynamic team.
Although i also agree that new ro may be the most talented they have been in a long time this year. The speed they displayed yesterday was scary.
What have these forums come too when the credibility of a fine coach like Lou D. is being questioned. As a Iona supporter who has watched Iona and New Rochelle scrimmage against each other I can say he is one of the best coaches in the Metro area. He is always prepared and tries to help the players. He is a good man as well as I have seen him offer addvice to a few Iona kids. We should be praising people like Coach D.
Great coaches make the most of the talent they have. Wouldn’t you say that Coach D did this??
I know programs that have New Ro style talent and do nothing.
10801
tell me what makes him great? over the last 40years new ro been better than they have been bad. as a new ro fan the football has always been great to us!
i agree they didn’t have the ray rice or parish walkers last year. but you have to adjust to the style of talent you have. i think what he have had the last 9 years or so in the backfield is a blessing to any coach. teams get better from repetition and good coaching. and if new ro would have concentrated last year on throwing the football for real, it they would’ve been a better team.
i don’t think the entire off. is diff. what he realize is that he might have to throw the ball in order to run because the line(run blocking) is probably there bigggest weakness. new ro normally run run run run then pass it might not be that easy this year. especially if they want to beat monroe they gonna have to have a real passing game.
as far as being dynamic thats a no brainer. y would u want to keep all that talent lined up 2 steps away from the offensive tackles. spread them out and the defense will follow
iona power
you do not know what you are talking about!
we are not challenging coach d cred. know one is saying that he is a bad person. or that he do not do the right thing. or he don’t give iona players good advise.
the talk is all about great or good coach and new ro has alot of talent. so please get yourself up to speed with the conversation. before you just talk
people wonder y,
I was at champions camp on friday, and to say that new ro’s run blocking is their biggest weakness is very different from what I saw. There were maybe 2 or 3 plays out of all their scrimages where new ro gained negative or zero yards rushing. I remember 1 play against carmel where the o line pushed the whole d line back from the 10 yd line to the middle of the endzone(I understand those werent the starters). I guess when you have SO MUCH TALENT in the backfield, you dont notice those big boys up front. New ro’s line has been overlooked b/c of the talent running behind them. Those backs need holes to run through!
Has anyone looked up “Good” and “Great”? I think you will find it very interesting>
People wonder Y
If you are a new ro fan then if you do not like coach d then who would you want as the coach of new rochelle.
Also after coach d went to Pace the New Rochelle program had some lean years.
The guy wins year after year and you still compplain.
People wonder y,
You made it clear that you believe coach D is carried by a large talent pool and that he’s very fortunate. To me that sums it all up.
That may be the truth but it also may not be the truth.
All that I’m saying is that there are coaches out there that get overwhelmed with talent and can’t figure out how to use it to their advantage so I have to give credit to a coach who can.
people wonder why,
Someone who really knows football would be able to see the evolution of new rochelle’s offense over the last few years. If you can’t see it i can’t believe you really know football.
JOHAN
I SAID THE BIGGEST PROBLEM FOR NEW RO”MIGHT BE” THEIR RUN BLOCKING.
AND IF YOU WAS REALLY WATCHN YOU WOULD SEEN MORE THAN 5 TIMES THEY WHERE TACKLE AT THE LINE OR BEHIND IN THE SCRIMMAGE AND IF NOTICE THAT EASTCH, CARMEL HAD A BETTER FIGHT WITH NEW RO WHEN THEY RAN FROM THE DOUBLE WING DOUBLE TIGHTEND FORMATION BUT WHEN THEY SPREADED THEM OUT IT WAS NIGHT AND DAY EVERY PLAY AT LEAST 7YDS.
IONA POWER
THERE YOU GO AGAIN WAY OFF BASE OF WHAT I AM SAYING.
AGAIN AS I STATED I THINK COACH D IS A GOOD COACH. I JUST DO NOT THINK THAT HE IS A “GREAT” COACH. THAT MEANS I DO NOT LIKE HIM? ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!
10960
YES I STAND BY THAT HE. BENEFITS FROM A VERY GOOD TALENT POOL. AND YES I AGREE THAT THERE ARE SOME COACHES OUT THERE THAT DO NOT USE THERE TALENT POOLS WELL! BUT THAT DO NOT MAKE YOU GREAT!
10801
I SEE SOME CHANGES IN IT AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW THEY ARE STILL A RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN AND THROW ON LONG TEAM IT DOES MATTER IF YOU RUNNING IT FROM DBLE WING, SINGLE WING, DBLE TIGHTEND WING, THREE RECIEVER AND RB ITS STILL RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN THROW ON LONG.
I keep hearing talent pools. You guys might want to change the argument to talent at the SKILLED POSITIONS. Let’s be honest New Ro usually does not get the big country boys that seem to be abundant in some of the Northern schools like the Mahopacs and John Jays. Even North Rockland most years as well has big line men. I know New Ro recently has had Ian Solomon who was like 6’3” over 250. And 2003 they had two studs on the line. But year in year out they are more likely to have the Paris Walker’s at RB then a Ian Solomon on the Line. So they have been able to get by with average lineman. I know we will get a response about the wing t now. But forget about schemes for a second. Some could say New Ro’s talent is somewhat limited OVERALL and yet they have been dominating over the last several years.
Maybe the argument should be what is more important to the success of the team, having a over abundant talent pool that supports just your skilled positions, or one that just supports the o and d lines. We all know speed kills, but in a game of angles and pursuit like football, speed can be cut off without some big holes provided by the boys up front.
How would John Jay have faired against a New Ro in the Section Championship if they had rb with break away speed like Paris Walker? Does New Ro win those games in 2006 and 2007?
Obviously the objective of all teams is to be well balanced.
Any thoughts?
people wonder y
You will gain more yards running on the edge more times when you have speedy elusive backs which new ro has. I agree that when your backs are so great that the line might be a problem, but they looked like they could hold their own in the trenches. Most of new ro’s lineman looked like they were 2 way players that are better suited to be d lineman.
Just a fact
In 07 new ro had both walker and solomon. They had both in the same year. They also had Douglas and rice in 03. You only get big guys with talent every so often. Big country boys with bad footwork and no skills are useless. So I think that a more small speedy team is a better recipe for success in high school football.
just a fact
the game is all about speed and when you know how to use it (spread out). you can keep those big boys up in north rock, j.j.
how about you add j.j., north rock big boys to new ro squad what do you think? and which coaching staff of the three school would you take????
if you was the coach of new ro what system would run?
johan
i agree they look like def. linemen but there good enough to handle the o line.
i agree that the speedy teams are a better recipe for sucess. but you have to use it the right way or it’s useless. it’s like having a 8’10” center in basketball and you want to win the game with jump shots.
people wonder y,
I’m not really sure you’ve been a new rochelle football fan for very long because the New Rochelle football program hasn’t always been great. In the mid 90’s New Rochelle was AWFUL !
And also New Rochelle isn’t always a run run thrown on long football team. They actually threw quite frequently, with those slant patters to Tremayne Williams last year.
You still haven’t made a case to prove that you think Coach D isn’t a great coach so I’m curious to see where your thought process lies on that, if you don’t mind
Actually I’d like to retract the statement I made about New Ro being awful in the mid 90’s. They were a pretty good team actually, they had one or two bad years. The point I was trying to make was that New Rochelle hasn’t always been this dynasty team expected to win it all each year, so with that being said Give Coach D some credit.
Y
If New Ro was accustom to getting the type of line man John Jay or North Rock get year in year out, in my estimation it would be quite devastating. You would have a team that could run away with the States year in year out. It would not matter whether you spread teams out or not. You would be able to force the ball down people’s throats. My type of football.
As for coaching staff, offensively you would have to take John Jay. Only for the passing capability, and as you say opening up the offense.
Defensively I would stick with New Ro’s coaching staff and the 5-2 since it is HS football, though against the spread you can’t stay in that D.
But I tell you what it would not matter which coaches you picked because the team would be STACKED!!!!!!!!!!
I think New Ro has the righ offense for their team. I am a big fan of the wing t at the high school level for many reasons that I won’t bore you with. And if you watch New Ro they do a lot of shifting which probably does not seem like much but they are trying to find D-fense formations and look to exploit weaknesses. I do have a great deal of respect for the spread. It just seems the spread takes a lot of work for the players to understand the offense.
Y
you seem like a offense guy, what offense would you run if you are at New Ro? I know you have mentioned spreading teams out.
whose coaching staff would you pick out of the three you listed above to run the offense?
how about defense, same questions?
First I’d like to mention how pleased I am with all this “football talk”.
Second I want to say that “just a fact” is correct about his statement. we should be talking about talent pools at the skilled positions.
My only objection is that 90 percent of the teams that New Rochelle plays only has the skilled positions and that the line is all of their handicaps.
In this section the skill position is all you really need to measure a talent pool.
I would just like to state that to be a good lineman you don’t have to be a huge body. I think New Ros present and past o lineman are taking a hit just because they weren’t the biggest guys out there. They’re all better athletes down in new ro compared to the big boys of north rock and mahopac.
Also, when I was at champions camp I noticed that the line of new ro wasn’t all that small. They were 6’0’’ across the board, just one of the guards looked like he was thin. The rest were over 230-250. For that “fantasy team”, I would have to run the spread, and I would definately want coach d of new ro to coach the d. As for the offense, I think that even without coaching the team would be unstoppable, but the roosevelt coaching staff at champions camp was running a no huddle spread very succesfully against even new ro. They were very enthusiastic, and each and every one of the roosevelt players looked like they were having fun and loved the coaches. I may be alone with that choice, but a coaching staff needs to make football fun, which they did.
Johan,
I wouldn’t be surprised if your right. There are plenty of coaches under the radar.
The most intelligent football coaches in section 1 may not be the best football coaches in section 1.
They may know most but cant teach.
LETSGONEWRO
IF YOU WHERE REALLY A NEW RO FAN YOU WOULD KNOW THAT NEW RO HAD SOME GREAT TEAMS IN THE 80’S 70’S AND 60’S WITH SEVERAL UNDEFEATED SEASON DURING THAT TIME.
LAST YEAR LETS BE HONEST A SLANT PATTERN IS NOT A PASSING GAME THATS A PASSING PLAY! SECOND THEY COULD NOT RUN THE BALL THAT WELL THAT WAS THE REAL REASON FOR THROWIN THE SLANT.
I DO NOT THINK REALLY THERE IS A GREAT COACH. BUT I THINK THAT YOU CAN HAVE A “GREAT STAFF”! BECAUSE AS A HEAD COACH YOU ARE ONLY AS GOOD. AS HOW “GREAT YOUR STAFF IS”
BUT NEW RO ALWAYS WAS THE TOP TEAM IN THE CONFERENCE BUT WITH THE REALIGNMENT OF TEAMS THINGS ARE DIFF. BUT THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN GOOD.
I HAVE ALWAYS AND I STILL DO GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR MAKING SURE THAT NEW RO DOMINATES.
JUST A FACT
I THINK LOOKING AT THE TALENT AND SEEING HOW COLLEGES ARE TAKING ALOT INTEREST IN THE SPREAD OFFENSE AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE CHANCES OF GOING TO COLLEGE ARE FAVORING ALOT OF THE SPREAD TEAMS KIDS AS OPPOSE TO THESE RUN TO DEATH OFFENSE. AND LETS BE HONEST 1500 YD BACK FROM NEW YORK IS CONSIDERED A 800YD BACK EVERY WHERE ELSE AROUND THE COUNTRY.
I WOULD HAVE 2 GO WITH THE SPREAD OFFENSE AND I PROBABLY WOULD GO WITH J.J.BECAUSE THEY COACH KNOW HOW TO THROW THE BALL. I WOULD HAVE NORTH ROCKLAND COACH THE O LINE BECAUSE THEY ARE GREAT WITH O LINE. DEFENSE I WOULD GO WITH NEW RO AS THE DEFENSIVE CORD. I WOULD GO WITH J.J. SECONDARY COACH ARE BETTER AT COACHING PASS DEF. BECAUSE THATS ONE OF NEW RO WEAKNESS,IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST. NEW RO COACHES AS THE LINEBACKER COACHES HANDS DOWN AND NORTH ROCKLAND AS THE DEF. LINE COACH.
10960
I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT MOST OF THE COACHES ARE NOT THAT GOOD. BUT REMEMBER THAT WAS THE TRUE CONCEPT OF THE SPREAD OFFENSE LETS TAKE THE LINEMEN OUT OF THE GAME AND LETS SEE IF YOUR STUD CAN TACKLE MY STUD IN OPEN FIELD. AND MOST COACHES TELL THEIR STUDS YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE FIRST GUY MISS AND YOU SHOULDN’T GET TACKLE ONE ON ONE IN OPEN FIELD
John Castellanos Rushing attack
Jimmy Clarks Passing attack
Joe Casserellas Rushing defense
Nobodies Passing defense, everyone’s subpar in that category. That’s nobodies fault since we come from a section where coaches run it on 3rd and long.
People wonder y,
wouldn’t you say you need a line in the spread as well to give the QB some time??
JOHAN
I AGREE COMPLETELY!
THE SPREAD OFFENSE IS VERY FUN AND IT’S ALOT EASIER TO TEACH AND COACH AS OPPOSE TO THE WING.IT’S (WING) IS TO COMPLICATE IT REQUIRE PRECISE STEP ALOT OF READS AS FOR THE SPREAD IT’S ALOT FASTER PACE OFFENSE. AND IT’S AREA BLOCKING OR ZONE. I RESEARCH BOTH OF THEM.ROOSEVELT LOOK VERY GOOD ACTUALLY ON OFFENSE IT MOVE THE BALL THE EASIEST ON NEW RO THAN ANY OTHER TEAM THERE. THEY MATCH NEW RO T.D. FOR T.D. AND ACTUALLY GOT ABOUT 4 TO 5 YDS PER PLAY. THE SPREAD IS GOOD FOR NEW RO BECAUSE IT’S A HIGH SCORING OFF. AND WITH A GREAT DEF. LIKE NEW RO USUALLY HAVE. TEAMS WOULD HAVE A TUFF TIME KEEPING UP T.D. FOR T.D.
10960
THE SPREAD OFFENSE ACTUALY REQUIRE VERY LIL BLOCKING AND YOUR SPLITS ARE WIDER TO CREATE NATURAL RUNNING LANE AND PASSING LANES.
people wonder y,
No pass blocking??
10960
MOST GREAT STAFF THROW THE BALL TO TRY AND STAY OUT OF THIRD IN LONG. AND MOST TEAMS IN THIS AREA COULD NOT PASS THEY WAY TO VICTORY IN A GAME. I DO NOT KNOW WHY TEAMS RUN THE BALL TO DEATH WHEN MOST NEW YORK KIDS THAT GET SCHOLARSHIP ARE TO PLAY DEFENSE BE IT THEY PLAYED Q.B.,R.B.,W.R., SO REALLY ARE YOU HELPING A KID GET INTO COLLEGE OR ARE COACHES JUST TRYING TO STACK W’s!
10960
YES IT’S PASS BLOCKING BUT YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE MASSIVE OR STEROID STRONG TO GET THE JOB DONE LOOK AT ROOSEVELT LINE REALLY NOT THAT BIG AT ALL
10960
EVERYTHING IS QUICK GET THE BALL OUT IN 2 SECOND AS OPPOSE TO OTHER OFF. WHERE THE BLOCKING IS 3 TO 4 SECOND.
people wonder y,
New York recently had the best running backs in college football remember Mike Hart and Ray Rice??
I see what your saying though. Keep in mind that it may also have to do with the lack of love the college scouts are showing us in NY.
people wonder Y,
Keep in mind that there’s a spread option and regular spread.
These spread offenses vary in the type of players that benefit them.
Do you run shotgun spread where “Pass Blocking” is essential no matter how thin you spread the defense?? Where you need a very good center and a quarterback whom can read defenses and call audibles effectively??
Do you run the Spread option where the misdirection rushing is key and you need fast pulling Gaurds and a scrambling style QB with good blocking wide outs??
Keep in mind guys that there’s alot to the so called “spread”
Y and 10956 nice break downs with the coach selections. It would be tough for anyone to argue those coaches.
When I mention big lineman I am not refering some saps with no foot work or football abilities but to guys like Joe Gambino(stop typing now haters)from North Rock and I am sure tons up North Westchester. When you say 6’ across the board in AA, that usually will not cut it for a line unless you have studs in the backfield which New Ro always seems to have, even if this year might be some no names. I am sure by year end we will all know these kids names who are all around 4.6 40’s are better. John Jay and Mahopac would love to have these kids in their backfields.
In regards to the spread, I guess I am going to have to rely on what you guys are saying about the ease to learn the spread offense, since I only know info about defending the Spread. But from what I heard, though the line blocking for running plays is easier, the reads for the qbs, rbs and wr’s I thought were supposed to be somewhat complicated and that was why teams were not ALL jumping on the band wagon as their MAIN offense formation.
Defending, I beleive you have to run a 4-3 and I would switch up the coverage from covers 2 & 3 with man coverage. To me 4-3 at the h.s. level is always dangerous because you need a stud middle lb and the d-lineman need to grab o-line man and stay true to gap responsibilities. Any other d’s anyone can think of to defend the spread?
3-3-stack
30 stack…..which is a 3-3-5
you need the speed to cover the field against the spread.
people wonder y,
Maybe you didn’t understand the point I was making. New Rochelle has been good throughout the years, but nothing compares to this run of the decade.
However to show you since you doubt my loyalty as ” real new rochelle fan” In the 1994 season they were quite good. Beat a good DeMatteo Roosevelt team twice. Once during season and then in overtime of playoffs. QB Mike Wiley scored on sudden death TD off a qb keeper.
Then in the title game vs N.Rockland both Wiley and RB Chico Flowers were benched 1st half for showing up late to friday night practice. Coach D is not only a great tacticion but also a man of great principle.
I wish I knew more about the New Ro teams of the 80s and 70’s but I was born in the 80’s so my knowledge is limited
4-3 puts 7 men in the box….. not the defense I would call against an offense designed to spread out the field. Using a 4-3 set up against the spread is very dangerous, unless you have an all section Defensive line and linebacker core. You would need a D-Line that can get pressure on the QB every single play and linebackers that are very athletic/fast enough to cover the slot receivers in the flats.
4-3 a no no
30 stack is a go!!!
I am not sure about these next two, but I think Monroe Woodbury runs the 4-3 regardless of the offense and New Ro likes to run the 3-3 stack against the spread. What does North Rock run against the spread? Mahopac? John Jay?
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i totally agree that there more than 1 version of the spread some run the with the idea of run 1st and pass 2nd then there is the spread that consist of alot of screens and misdirection run plays and the q.b. is actually like a xtra r.b. it all depend on what you are trying to do.
i agree that the college scouts treat n.y. football third rate. but part of it is our fault. fans, coaches, parent, and players. if we don’t make a big deal about our”new york” football who will. also our college football programs constantly losing does not help look at all the good college teams and then look at how college coaches treat their high school kids. most of our kids are really not taught how to actually play their position 90% of our kids are playing their respected position strictly base on natural ability and ther is very lil if any technique if any is taught. and remember at one time every one in section1 south aa was running the wing t and the fifty defense. that is not a good look at all. and for several reason.
I think this is a great subject to talk about, but new ro has been the only team(this generation) to combine great lineman with great backs. The 03 team had a lineman and two backs go to the nfl. And that pair only comes around once in a blue moon, so don’t hold your breath waiting for the combo. New ro has the great backs and last year had the only lineman in te super 11 so I don’t get why all this bashing of the new ro lineman is going on. Some of the best (backs and lineman) come out of new ro. I enjoyed on saturdays watching the combo of rice and douglas and recently solomon and williams. Has there ever been a more succesful combo in recent years?
just fact
i would prefer the 3-3-5 and some time blitz one of the safety to add a lil pressure also the 3-3-5 alow you spy some1 which is a good idea you have slant at times and play alot of gap defense to try neutralize some thing but first you have to have the athlete or you pretty much s@#t out of luck. you can also play a 3-4-4 with alot of zone blitzing and press coverage. monroe runs a 3-3-5 style defense with a undersize guy at the line and he like a spy it’s a great scheme and they do a great job of camouflaging it. it’s like a 4-3 look with a 3-3-5 rules and philosphy. new ro runs the 3-4-4 against the spread. all these defenses have a couple diff. version the 2 most common for all of them are the spread and stack some also might say pro style.
Dis year new ro gonna have 2 studs on da line. Quinton witherspoon(6’2’’ 240) nd mike micelli(6’0’’ 280). Not exact on height nd weight but not off by dat much. Witherspoons a tackle nd micelli is. Center.
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don’t forget savage the other linemen from new ro i think he gonna get a shot “nfl” as well. roosevelt had a pair of n.f.l. linemen in the 90’s with kennedy and the other guy “his name has escape me” but he was on the titans i tihnk that coach d was bless with the run he had in the last 10yrs a new york coaches dream and i am very happy that he was the guy there to see it threw. if the rest of section1 coaches would dedicate themselves to being for real it would be a great league.
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witherspoon is gona be very good and gona be great. he looks more like a def guy tho i like his play on def. alot i was impress with him at the camp. mike i didn’t see much so no comment as of now.
Wow I forgot about savage. I heard he is getting a look from an nfl team and even went to a camp. Not sure what team though.
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believe it was tampa
people wonder y i have to admit you do know your stuff.
Andre douglas was invited to tampa’s camp but suffered an injury and was cut. However he is now in Dallas’ camp.
Myke savage plays for tradition 1aa powerhouse youngstown state and was named a pre season all american before suffering a season ending injury in the first game of the season. He has been granted a medical redshirt and will be back for this season.
North Rock 2005 had Alceus, with a very good line. There were some big guys on that line that were very good, but I do not have names. They would have to be menitoned with good lines and a very good back of recent.
I can’t believe you guys are hyping up Roosevelt. In my mind that is worse then the guy hyping up Arlington. Whatever Roosevelt did was only pre season. They have no cred left. They have been HORRIBLE for way too long. I think a lot of AA fans would like to see them return to some form of dominance. They HAVE do something DURING the season before they get any cred with the spread, or anything else they want to run.
Anyone know what John Jay or North Rock runs against the spread. Just curious especially John Jay since they have run the spread. It would be interesting what D they like to use to defend.
Just a fact,
These teams dont see much of the spread to begin with. Couldn’t tell you how they defend it.
I would defend it with a 3 -5 -3 defense. My best 5 athletes are my 5 linebackers to cover the underbelly and my next 3 best athletes are in my secondary to cover deep. It is a bit unorthodox at the high school level but could wotk if you have the athletes who are quick and not lumbering.
With the spread, my concern with 3 down line man is dive and traps. Of course you don’t mix up your D some of these offenses will rip you up no matter what is out there.
I was thinking 4-3 with pinching the tackles taking away both A gaps. Switch up contain with the outside lbs and ends. This would invite the veer and outside plays where your personel will be sitting waiting for.
3-5-3?? LOL alrighty!!!
how do you take away the A gaps by pinching tackles??
the A gaps are inside heels of the Gaurds and outside heel center.
oh never mind…. you mean defensive tackles
Just a fact,
how bout a 4-2 against the Spread… that could work.
your idea about 4 down linemen makes sense because…... bottom line…. all these teams run the spread option if they run a spread at all.
In a 3-5-3, I can blitz when I choose to and cover the gaps if need be. As a defensive coordinater, I just have to make sure that I am correct in my calls. You will not know where I am coming from, the inside, outside, staying back. It is a chess match between coaches. But you also have to have the horses, If I do not, then I have to play a standard 4-3. The defense would be geared for a team like last years Nyack team with the athletes they had. Ramapo would do well in a defense like this because of there quickness.
comes to think of it,
4-2 isn’t bad….. jam the B gaps with my D-Tacs…. Dends play the C….bring down the strong safety. Linebackers read the A gaps. Corner blitz the week side. That’ll take away the run. thats the case with a TE…..no TE and I’m not bringing down the safety. douplbe tight and I’m not blitzing a corner. The thing is….... a good defense can self adjust to what they see in the offense.
A good spread QB can adjust based on what they see in the defense. That why I like 30 stack. 30 stack is a defense in disguise, very hard to read.
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3-5-3 would be perfect against the spread. But the line backers would all have to be fast… you might as well call them safties.
If i’m calling the offense… i’m gonna trap and dive the life out of that defense lol. You’s have to blitz the A gaps every down. Then when you least expect it… Slant pass with really no men deep.
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My point exactly, my best athletes would have to be my linebackers and they need to be quick. If not, the defense will not work, that is why you rarely ever see it because teams do not have enough of those type of athletes, they might have 2 or 3, but not 5 guys who are about 6’1 / 195 lbs and 4.7 speed and strong. New Ro might have these type of kids.
New ro has done very well against the spread running what they run. Each of the last three years monroe has had their lowest point total against new rochelle.
Monroe not scoring much can also be equated to the fact New Ro was not lighting it up as well. I am sure even in the spread play calling could get conservative when the score is close especially when if you have the lead.
With the way Coach D plans, I am sure even if he ran the
4-3, as long as the d-line jams there guy and holds gap responsibilities, with a stud middle lb, they would be just fine. But it is a tell tale sign that a great Defense coach like coach D calls 3-5-3 against the spread. Tough to go against him.
One could say Monroe Woodbury uses a 4-3 against the spread, though one on the lineman is supposedly a spy, and they seem to do quite well against any offense formation. It might just come down to the players teams have. I have seen the 4-3 work, meaning players were in the right positions to MAKE the plays, however, the players did NOT MAKE THE PLAYS, and the team scored a lot of points.
My fault I think someone said New Ro runs 3-4-4 against the spread.
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I think 4-2, is not a bad idea, because the funny thing if you line up in a 4-3, you still would have the strong safety to play with and what ever side he cheated up to on running downs, that outside line backer could move in and you are in a type of 4-2.
I would leave my tackles in the A gaps and have line backers covering B and C switching that task with the d-ends. I think the LB’s would be running into each other if they are both covering A gaps.
10801, just a fact, 10960, 3 yards and cloud of dust
you can run all those defense if you like. and all of them will work with certain teams but really all of them don’t work if you do not have the personal.
monroe and new ro games every year are close for one reason or another. guys did you know that last year monroe q.b. tore a ligament, or muscle that required surgery but the q.b. decided to put it off until december because it was season ending injury. it happen in august so monroe decided to have him throw very limited short passes.and let him run the ball more. that could be maybe the reason they off. didn’t score alot.
I THINK YOU CAN’T HAVE POOR TACKLERS ON THE FIELD!
SOME TEAM ALSO PLAY 2-4-5. THEY PLAY 2 D.T. AND 4 L.B. AND 5 D.B. WITH THE PHILOSPHY OF BEATING THEM TO THE PUNCH UNDA CUTTING THE BLOCK ON THE PULL AND GET SPEED RUSHERS UP THE FIELD TO CREATE HAVOC. TRYIN TO CONTAIN THE OUTSIDE FORCING THE Q.B. UP INTO THE POCKET 2-4-5- ALLOW THE DEFENSE TO CREATE THE SAME HAVOC THAT OFFENSIVE COACHES TRY TO DO IN THE SPREAD IT’S LIKE THE SPREAD DEFENSE.
AS YOU REMEMBER ST. ANTHONY TRYED TO PLAY IONA IN THE CHIP GAME BASICALLY IN THERE BASE DEF. AND IONA R.B. HAD 7 T.D.’S IN THE GAME. THEY PLAY LIKE A PRO STYLE 4-3
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I jus saw micelli’s highlight tape on da recruiting video’s. If ya wanna check it out.
Did anyone see Jason McCourty make that interception in the pre-season hall of fame game tenessee Vs. Buffalo??
News 12 called him a Nanuet Native. Yet the guy was in the Nyack public school system before transfering to St. Joes Montvale NJ.
Oh and he went to Chestnut Ridge middle school an East Ramapo school.
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I JUST WATXH MIKE TAPE IT WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE. BUT AT THE NEXT LEVEL HE WOULD PROBABLY BE A CENTER OR A D.T. ON THE DEFENSIVE LINE HE WOULD HAVE TO WORK A LIL MORE ON HIS LATERAL MOVEMENT. HE VERY AGGRESSIVE BUT AT 6’ 280LBS MORE LIKELY CENTER OR D.T.
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YES HE WAS A VERY GOOD YOUTH FOOTBALL PLAYER AS WELL. I BELIEVE HE PLAYED FOR VALLEY COTTAGE YOUTH FOOTBALL.
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HOW DO YOU THINK MR. GREEN WILL DO I SEATTLE?
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IN SPORTS ILLUSTRATED YOU CAN SEE MR.GREEN TRYN TO GET OVER AND ON DEFEND ON A PASS IN PRACTICE.
yea, and in the back of the issue peter king mentions ray making the play of the week out of all training camps.
Greene supposedly is in the running for the starting spot as of now
Jason and his twin brother were more then good for VCI. Those 2 with the addition of Terry Baltimore, equaled night night for other teams.
Ray Rice is the starting RB of the Baltimore Ravens. He is starting over a healthy Willis McGahee… This guy has got to be the best player in our sections history. no name comes close. Look at the Depth Chart.
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/People/Player_Roster/Depth_Chart.aspx
PAPPY MASON
R.B. DERRICK OWENS OF NORTH ROCKLAND WHO LATER CHANGE HIS NAME TO DERRICK LASSIC. WAS A STAR R.B. WHO WENT ALABAMA AND ONE A NATIONAL CHIP AT R.B. THEN WAS DRAFTED BY THE DALLAS COWBOYS AS EMMITT SMITH BACK UP AND WON A SUPERBOWL I BELIEVE IT WAS 1992. I DON’T THINK ANY OTHER R.B. DID WHAT THESE 2 GUYS DONE.
I THINK WHITE PLAINS HIGH SCHOOL W.R./R.B. ART MONK IS PROBABLY THE MOST ACCOMPLISH OF THEM ALL WINNING A SUPER BOWL WITH THE REDSKINS AS A TEAM CAPT. AND MULTIPLE PRO BOWL APPERANCES.FINALLY BEING INDUCTED INTO THE N.F.L. HALL FAME AS ONE OF THE “GREATEST” W.R. TO “EVER” PLAY THE GAME.
People wonder y,
He’s playin center dis year nd its cuz he’s playin center in college.
people wonder y…
I didn’t know that guy came from white plains, thats good
Ray Rice isn’t the best player in our sections history.
He’s arguably the best player in our sections history.
He’s definitely one of the best.
I think we need to stick with the facts. Art Monk, Hall of Famer, Super Bowl winner, THE BEST!!!!!!!
whats really amazing, is that all you couch potatoes who have never coached on a pop warner team, let alone a varsity program, sit here and talk about all of these defenses like you really know whats going on. You guys are probably the ones who think that they can call an NFL game too on sundays. Stick to talking about things you know, and leave the coaching to the coaches.
You guys need to stop watching ESPN and thinking that you are comentators.
Scarsdale Fullback Rick Moser won two super bowl rings with the Steeler in 78 and 79.
Not that he is the best player, but who from section 1 has two rings?
...besides Monk of course, who has 3 rings.
who has a state championship, a national championchip, super bowl ring derrick owens-lassic
who also never lost a game as a starter dating back to his last years of youth football. his first lost since then was when the cowboys lost to the giants in 92
he had compiled a record 39-0 a starter before losing to the giants